Custom Tennant Sonic Build

jedibugs

He is referring to the fact that Rassilon's screwdriver design contains a great many design elements (more to do with how it is assembled than any exterior appearance) that do not appear on any screen-used Sonics, nor on the MFX sonic, but do appear exclusively on Sonics released by another party (This would be "The Dragon" that Asp refers to--I'm sure you can figure out who he means).
The fact that these design elements only appear on the work of that one individual leads one to believe that Rassilon1's work is not original, but a reproduction of another's original work (remember, we're talking about build methods, not external appearance). I believe that "reproduction of another's original work" is classified around these parts as "Recasting."

THAT is what the heck he is talking about.

greatwazoo42

Yup, took me a few seconds after I posted to have a quick glance and read at said person's blog to confim.

Rassilon

The Cult of CT has arrived, I new that it would happen one day, as I have been warned about this by other members, that they would start showing up, and there job is to attack anyone that looks like having a go at the 10th doctors sonic, as according to them there can only be one.
The only thing that band member he is good at, is expanding my use of bad English.

This image is the base from which I made most of my dimensions from, I scaled it to size and used a ruler to do the rest, and used 3D inventor to model the sonic.

Others was from screen grabs & photo’s taken from the net of Sonics, have used various photo’s to help with building my custom sonic.

Some of the design that I posted, where just that, design concepts, however in retrospect, I should not have posted them, or been so forth coming until I had a final design.

As now this has only given the band member fuel to attach me on.

I have never been to his site but I can see why no one would make the Tennant sonic now He is a good example of a cyber bully.

I do not intend to deviate from what I have started, I can‘t be cyber bullied into submission, by him or any others from his cult, I do not go to his site as it is a waste of space. Frankly why would I, it is of very little value to this forum or the human race.

I still will be posting pic’s of the Rassilon1 Custom Tennant Sonic on the due date as mentioned.

This is the transmitter that I'm manufacturing now, there is no design relevance to his at all but more what is depictured in the show not what was posted somtime back.

My Nutty or nice list is growing. "what list are YOU on"

LeAngeSolitaire

To be fair, he does have a good case. We all know he's a bit fierce but I'm more interested in hearing how come your sonic is so similar to his.

greatwazoo42

Maybe they both watched the same TV show or something?

LeAngeSolitaire

I think you may need to re-read Jedibugs's post above. This goes beyond just similar external looks.

Rassilon

It would seem that I now have to clear my name, fine and I will, once I have all the parts machined, and you will see that they have NO design relevance to his at all.

Once again Some of the designs that I posted, where just that, design concepts, however in retrospect, I should not have posted them, as they were not intended for manufacture only as a stepping stone to a finished production design.

When I have the transmitter completed I will post a pic of it, but that will not be until it is completed.

greatwazoo42

Trust me; I read and understood Jedibugs' post. I'm just not taking this as seriously as you guys are. Probably never will either.

LeAngeSolitaire

Maybe you should. Recasting is a bit of a serious subject in these parts.

los lobos 26

Hello Everyone! I am new to this forum and I noticed that there is a custom 10th doctor (david tennant) sonic screwdriver being made. My question for Rassilon1 is will there be a line of these screwdrivers made? Also I noticed there is talk of a usb inside the screwdriver. I am all for that idea I think its coming along great. I would like to know if you are going to be selling the final product(s). PM me any details. Thank you very much

Los Lobos....

NakedMoleRat

I must be getting old. I have no understanding of a lathe, CNC, milling or drawings, nada. So somethings that others pick up go right over my head. I'm not making any acusations, but I'm erring on the side of caution. The 'business man' (I think that is a more respectful term) and I did have a go at it for a brief while. It was my fault and mouth that started it. I had apologized to him and he has been nothing but gracious and respectful to me since. I don't want to offend him or anyone else.
I can't prove anything either way but I can stay out of it. Good luck to your work, I'm moving along somewhere else now.
Cheers.

Anakin Starkiller

This sort of vague innuendo appears to me to be entirely unproductive. If there's an actual accusation to be made based on specifics then I say make it and let Rassilon defend himself.

LeAngeSolitaire

I suggest you actually find and read the accusations from the man himself. They are pretty specific.

jedibugs

I assure you, I have no desire to "make trouble." And I am not speaking in innuendo (except for continuing the whole "Dragon" thing). There is only a single sonic available (or even seen) anywhere with a threaded construction that allows for disassembling the Sonic by unscrewing it. When someone comes along with the same design and claims it's based on just looking at reference of the actual prop, that is suspect. I have seen shouts of recasting over much less damning evidence on this site.
I can't speak to the other things such as specific measurements, because I didn't measure the prop and I haven't constructed a replica... The specifics of the accusation are out there to be seen and you all know where to find them. It is not my work that may have been recast, so it is not my place to level any accusations, either.
Also, I didn't even bring it up. I only elaborated on ASP9mm's post.

Anakin Starkiller

So, Rassilon is a re-caster because his emitter head and ball coupling screw together; and no one could have looked at these two parts and thought that the best way of making these two parts fit together securely would be for one part to screw into the other without copying CT's work?

LeAngeSolitaire

But that's not all is it?

shdl

Lol. ME TOO! I must be getting old too, and I'm only 15! All i want is an accurate sonic and it seems CT may be the best option so I'll save up for his Really didn't care for his racist stab against Aussies on his blog though...

Anakin Starkiller

Right, so what are the specific points then to be addressed that argue that Rasslion reverse engineered a CT sonic rather than working off of pics of the original?

Is it the fact that the window in his emitter head intersects a little bit with the struts? This can be seen in the pic of the sonic posted on the Aztec website. Yes, CT is right in saying that his replica has this feature and the MFX sonic doesn't, but all that proves is that Rasslion didn't copy his replica from a MFX sonic. If the detail is on the original prop, and if that detail can be seen on publicly available pictures, then why would one think that Rassilon copied CT's work because his replica shares these details.

Now, I don't know Rassilon at all. So, I have no reason to think one way or another that he would or would not work off of references from CT's site. But to me, having the emitter head and ball coupling screw together seems like an intuative engineering decision that two designers could have made independantly. (I mean they either screw together or they are glued together, those really are the only two options right?) And both CT and Rassilon seem like they were trying to replicate features of the orignal prop that can be seen on the original prop. Now CT may have some bragging rights for being able to have been the first person to publically call people's attention to certain details of the orignal prop. But working from details of the original prop that another member pointed out is not recasting. Directly copying another member's work is. CT states "Unless Cuntus McCollins has been living under Ayre's-****ing-rock for the past three years, there is no way he cannot have been unaware of my work" But being aware of the discoveries made by another hobbyist is not recasting. So, for an example, I was the first person to find an original accurate Armitage Shanks handwheel and show to the board that it broke down into four pieces and that the pommel cubes could be flipped. But when board members began to replicate these characteristics of the orignal prop in their designs, that was not re-casting. I did not own those features of the orignal prop just because I noticed them first.

For Rassilon to have re-cast CT's work, he would have had to reverse engineer CT's work--ie. buy a CT sonic and copy it, or maybe get someone to measure theirs and work backwards or some other direct lineage of copying. And I haven't heard evidence being discussed here that says that this is the case. CT says that his emitter head is an identical 1:1 replica of the emitter head of the Season 1 sliding sonic. So logically, if Rasslion was working off of pics of the season 1 slider, or these season 4 prop that Nick Robbato converted the season 1 slider into (which are available on the rubbertoe webcite) Rasslion's sonic would match CT's sonic in the features mentioned right?

Also, in CT's blog post, he says that Rassilon copied Rouge Scout's Romana sonic, and CT portrays this as a pattern of re-casting by Rassilon. But as far as I remember, when Rassilon posted drawings of his Romana sonic, they looked quite a bit different from Rouge Scout's design.
Here's Rouge Scout's
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f9...889d1320587487

Here's Rassilon's
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f9...008d1322477661

In fact, the very fact that Rassilon went to such an effort to make a Romana sonic that is so very different from Rough Scout's would make me think that he's specifally trying hard not to copy another member's work.

So, I don't really see a pattern of recasting other members going on here.

Also, if Rassilon was going to copy CT's work, why is the body of his sonic so completely different from either CT's season 1 sonic or his season 4 sonic? (And for that matter the MFX prop)

My point is that if this thread is going to be the place where CT's accusations of re-casting are brought to bear on Rassilon, then board members should reference the specifics of those accusations rather than just saying "there are many features" because such an approach doesn't deal with specifics, it just casts a vague cloud of suspicion.

LeAngeSolitaire

CT listed around half a dozen features that were copied directly from his sonic. Instead of concentrating on the things that you think you can explain away, how about looking at the things you can't? Personally, I never realised the strut was bisected by the window. You can't see it in photos and if anyone did, they never mentioned it before CT did. This isn't suspicion. This is plain obvious recasting. Dunno why you choose to see otherwise.

Rassilon

Thanks Anakin Starkiller your so right........ let Rassilon defend himself Ok can someone tell me how to replace the LED when it fails with out having the transmitter part removable from the ball section if you can tell me this then you are a better designer than me.

In some designs there can only be one way and yes this is the only way of replacing the LED as the blue lens is resined in place so it don’t fall out.

Next you will be saying Ford was the original designer of the car so anyone other than them are recasters.

I have posted a drawing sketch of the head that I’m making right now and I will post pic’s of it when I get it completed, so instead of attacking each other direct your attacks at me, not each other as this is what bull dog like to see you all fighting over ****.

I have been accused of RECASTING and I will defend my self in time when the parts have been made. and I have posted them here OK.

At this stage you are starting **** over a bloody drawing image, wait till I have a manufactured the parts first and posted them then if it is what bull dog is barking about then so be it.

jedibugs

You're probably right. The responsible thing to do would probably be to ignore any possibility that a member is a recaster and just assume that any similarities in design are due to coincidence, despite no other replica of the same prop sharing that design.

Again, I am not making an accusation. The person who can make an accusation has done so. Someone else here alluded to it and I elaborated when Wazoo asked what that person was talking about.

If Rassilon1 did indeed work diligently to reproduce the prop so well, then more power to him. But another prop maker has
leveled a claim that his work has been stolen. Such a claim is worth exploring, even if the accuser is unable to post here. Because shouldn't we care about the hard work of all prop makers, whether we like them or not? If it were not a banned member claiming his work had been stolen but someone who had never posted here, making the accusation on another prop site, then someone alerting the community here that we were getting excited over a possible recast would be a welcomed warning that would be looked into.

Let's not look at Rassilon's accuser as "that loudmouth jerk we kicked out of here" but as a skilled craftsman who feels that his hard work has been infringed upon. Not for him (he's perfectly capable of sticking up for himself) but for us: so that we can ensure that we keep giving our hard-earned money to the craftsmen who have earned it with their skill and hard work, rather than those who would steal another's hard work for a quick buck. Is Rassilon1 one of those people? I don't know. I know he's doing more than what I'm capable of. I know that it's a hard prop to make. And I know that the other guy made some damn good points that should be easy enough to rebut if they're false.

Remember: this isn't about some silly rivalry... It's about maintaining the purity and integrity of the RPF and its zero-tolerance policy for recasting. It's the worst accusation you make of someone around here, and I'm sure no one would do so glibly; but the fact remains that the accusation shouldn't be ignored, no matter what you think of the accuser.

LeAngeSolitaire

I'm not a prop maker but even I can tell you that the cylindrical upper LED holder in the CT sonic is not the most logical way of doing this. The MFX replicated the way the prop did it and managed quite well without doing it CT's way. CT only put it there because he apparently saw it on the original season 1 prop.

Rassilon

Ok lets have question and answer time.

Here I am lets go one issue at a Time

Lets Talk about this part first

To replace the LED when it fails with out having the transmitter part removable from the threaded ball section.

Option 1
Have the lens section removable.
Cant do as there is not enough room to have a thread and the real sonic did not have this.

Option 2
Have the ball and bonded into the transmitter or make it one piece
be doing this how do you replace the LED.

Option 3
Have the Ball threaded so it can be removable to replace the LED

Is there an option 4 well can any of you come up with an option 4 so I can replace the LED,

Next he will be saying that it was his idear ti install a flash drive.

The fact it he don’t like me making them for any of you.

He attaches any one that would build them, and I new this from the start

LeAngeSolitaire

How about having the LED soldered directly on wires stuffed into the central head stalk to hold it upright and straight and accessed by popping off the lens? It's the most direct way and how the original prop was and how MFX did it.

Anakin Starkiller

My point is exactly, what are the features of Rassilon's design that must have come from copying CT's work and not a close dligent examination of the original prop? Just because you never realised the window bisects the struts doesn't mean that no one else can see that. It's pretty apparent in the attached photo. And of course Rassilon didn't mention this before CT, he hasn't been in the game as long. No one is disputing that CT noticed this a while back. But how does having two replicas that share a feature that is present on the original prop="plain obvious recasting"?

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