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  1. Purveyor of awesomeness RPF Premium Member Rylo's Avatar
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    Dec 18, 2007, 1:51 PM - Curious? #1

    I'm curious. Out of all the machined Luke ROTJ sabers out there...

    Why hasn't anyone machined the grip (rings) off-sized? One peek at the screen caps and you can see this area was clearly machined by hand and the rings are not uniform. They're slightly staggered in size.

    Do people simply prefer the idealized look of the uniform rings? I admit it looks cleaner. I'm torn...

    Just curious. I'm trying to figure out which one I want to go with on my personal replica.

    Thoughts?
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    Dec 18, 2007, 3:12 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #2

    Check out AnakinStarkiller's run of ROTJ Yuma blanks in the JY. This is the first I've heard of a run with the non-uniform rings.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 4:22 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #3

    Um...kinda doing my own but thanks.

    bcstanding said: View Post
    Check out AnakinStarkiller's run of ROTJ Yuma blanks in the JY. This is the first I've heard of a run with the non-uniform rings.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 4:47 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #4

    Rylo said: View Post
    Do people simply prefer the idealized look of the uniform rings? I admit it looks cleaner. I'm torn...
    I like idealized mostly. I like to think that if the item was real and actually produced that it would look clean and precise. On the other hand, if I can get all real parts, I'd go for that like on the OWK ANH!

    My Elvis Trooper ROTJ Vader saber is pristine with symmetrical parts.


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    Dec 18, 2007, 5:37 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #5

    Nice! I almost always go with 'clean' on any run I've ever done.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 6:02 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #6

    Honestly, I think it has to do with labor more than anything else. It's most likely easier to set the lathe to one setting or one set of measurements and go from there than to have to deal with a dozen different measurements that only the truly anal would notice anyway

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    Dec 18, 2007, 8:49 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #7

    Yup, its definitely easier and cheaper to do them all the same rather then all different.

    I tried to go the uneven route with my last V2 & Stunt run but my machinist took one look at the drawing and went "The uneven rings section alone will cost more then the rest of the item."

    A big shop with a CNC machine can probably make them for less since everything is pre-programed anyway. But big shops need big orders-in the hundreds-to justify the set-up cost & programing fee.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 9:03 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #8

    I made mine by hand from steel on a plain ol' lathe. Very time consuming project. I was doing it in shop class that I had for 2 hours each day in school. Took me around 3 months to machine all the metal parts. Not very acurate, but its close enough for me, and it was a fun project.


    I can see why a machinist would charge more for the uneven rings though. It's very time consuming to machine something to exacting tolerances. Your paying them to get it right, not to get it "close enough" so they have to go through all that extra work to make sure each ring is the correct depth and width and all that. Speaking from experience, I'd charge more for it too.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 9:26 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #9

    I machined mine with the uneven rings. I didn't want it any other way.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 10:04 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #10

    Forget idealized sabers. I want uneaven rings. It's screen acurate, but more importantly (and always forgotten) a Jedi's lightsaber is all made by hand. They shouldn't look machine perfect.
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    Dec 18, 2007, 10:31 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #11

    TridCloudwalker said: View Post
    but more importantly (and always forgotten) a Jedi's lightsaber is all made by hand. They shouldn't look machine perfect.
    That all depends on how crafty the Jedi in question is!

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    Dec 19, 2007, 3:47 AM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #12

    Well, it WAS his first attempt at making one!

    franz bolo said: View Post
    That all depends on how crafty the Jedi in question is!

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    But seriously... the original saber must've been done really, REALLY quickly for the rings to have come out that uneven. I have turned TWO things on a lathe in my life- a Han ESB flash hider and my Luke ROTJ. Both done on old manual machines. The Luke took two tries to get right, but the finished piece was done in a couple of afternoons and is pretty even.

    Personally... I usually go with the idealized version of props since I want to have the item it represents rather than an identical copy of the real-world prop. No wonky barrels or hanging wires for me, thanks! But there are times when I do think the flaws on the original actually give the piece its personality... like with a Stormy helmet.
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    Dec 19, 2007, 8:09 AM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #13

    Rylo said: View Post
    I'm curious. Out of all the machined Luke ROTJ sabers out there...

    Why hasn't anyone machined the grip (rings) off-sized? One peek at the screen caps and you can see this area was clearly machined by hand and the rings are not uniform. They're slightly staggered in size.

    Do people simply prefer the idealized look of the uniform rings? I admit it looks cleaner. I'm torn...

    Just curious. I'm trying to figure out which one I want to go with on my personal replica.

    Thoughts?
    I have machined at least 6 metal Luke ROTJ sabers: the Hero version, V-2 and Shared Stunt and mine don't come out totally uniformed because I eye ball them and don't use a CNC, or a machinst. I think deliberately making them not to be uniformed would be interesting. I have never seen actual closeup pictures of the the rings to know which ones are not uniform.
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    Dec 20, 2007, 10:06 AM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #14

    All my OT props are as close to screen accurate as I can afford and I had a blast weathering my Roman's Obi-Wan ANH saber. I'm looking forward to weathering the Luke ROTJ once I get mine. But I prefer the clean, idealized look for my PT props though. Seems to fit with the PT style better, IMHO. Definitely post progress pics when you start yours Rylo!
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    Dec 20, 2007, 3:18 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #15

    Hi guys there is other way to get the rings un even!! Machine the rings all even, Then PAINT,ANODISE or WHAT ever your gonna do the black part. Then when you machine the rings again to show the ALU under the paint!! just go down a little deeper on the tool the rings will look bigger and smaller ,

    Does that make any sence??

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    Dec 20, 2007, 8:11 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #16

    Wouldn't that like... destory all the black coating you just put into the grooves?
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    Dec 20, 2007, 10:18 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #17

    yeah, it would, i understand what hes saying tho, but that would only work if the rings were black, not the grooves, which is the opposite of what its suppose to be
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    Dec 20, 2007, 11:22 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #18

    Actually what Russ is saying is exactly how I wanted to do my V2 & Stunt last year.

    Let me try to explain. The top of the rings are supposed to be bare metal while the grooves(valleys) are black. So you start by painting/anodizing the entire grip section (valleys, top of the rings, everything), then you put the saber back on the lathe and gently lathe away the paint on the top of the rings only. What Russ is proposing is to lathe certain rings a little more, so a little bit more of the metal is taken away, and thus making the top of those rings wider.

    However one drawback of this method is that the rings will have slightly uneven height as well, which is the reason why i didn't go it with this method, and decided to just leave all the rings at the same width. You might not see it since the difference is only a fraction of an mm, but you can feel the unevenness it if you handle the saber. Also with tolerance in the +-0.1mm range there's a very big risk of skimming off a little too much and ruining the look of the saber.

    If its still unclear I'll have to illustrate by doing some drawings...
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    Dec 20, 2007, 11:30 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #19

    Hey Pol, Go ahead with that idea, just sand off the paint or anodizing...
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    Dec 20, 2007, 11:42 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #20

    SaberFreak said: View Post
    Actually what Russ is saying is exactly how I wanted to do my V2 & Stunt last year.

    Let me try to explain. The top of the rings are supposed to be bare metal while the grooves(valleys) are black. So you start by painting/anodizing the entire grip section (valleys, top of the rings, everything), then you put the saber back on the lathe and gently lathe away the paint on the top of the rings only. What Russ is proposing is to lathe certain rings a little more, so a little bit more of the metal is taken away, and thus making the top of those rings wider.

    However one drawback of this method is that the rings will have slightly uneven height as well, which is the reason why i didn't go it with this method, and decided to just leave all the rings at the same width. You might not see it since the difference is only a fraction of an mm, but you can feel the unevenness it if you handle the saber. Also with tolerance in the +-0.1mm range there's a very big risk of skimming off a little too much and ruining the look of the saber.

    If its still unclear I'll have to illustrate by doing some drawings...
    yeah i understand what your saying now
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    Dec 21, 2007, 8:53 PM - Re: Curious? Luke's ROTJ Saber #21

    finally had a chance to get a picture of mine

    not the best one ever, but maybe you can see the rings
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