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    Jul 23, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1526

    I'm not sure if anyone knows the exact timeline placement of the photos or not but that photo is what I've always assumed to be one of at least two pre-production photos taken that show the blaster how it came from Bapty, before the SW prop guys got their hands on it and added the Paint, Disk, Grills, Barrel Greeblie and Weathering.

    If the SW guys indeed added those details rather than being revisions made by Bapty themselves after the pre-pro photos, the mystery disk seems more likely to be just masked off into the black Paint that the SW guys or whoever added. Also aside from the few custom machined and fabricated items here and there(i.e. Vader), in ANH the prop guys didn't show really any evidence of having access to the kind of machinery or experience needed to Mill in the Mystery disk as perfect as it looks. So to me the disk seems likely to be just masked into the paint whenever the paint was added. And like lonepigeon has said, the Imperial greeblie may somehow be involved in the 'mystery' of the disk too.

    I would always love to find out more about the true order of events that resulted in this beautiful blaster!


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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1527

    this is all true, but one observation.

    In other photos, the HERO shows the Mystery Disk as very silvery or raw metal.

    IF the disk area was a glued on Imperial Disk, then why the missing "gun blueing"?

    The masked area "should" still have bluing under it. We have seen other areas on the HERO that show evidence of where things were glued and the dark bluing remains underneath.

    Remember the area above the Disk on the receiver we discovered?

    The missing Antenna, still blue/black under it. It did not rip off the color.

    So why is the Disk area alone Silver? I doubt they would meticulously remove the Bluing in a perfect circle there to get a better gluing surface and NOT remove it anywhere else.

    It is a Mystery !



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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1528

    Interesting...
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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1529

    It wouldn't work if the Imperial disk greeblie ripped off and took the paint with it, revealing bare metal, but what if the Imp disk was painted silver and the disk ripped off, but left the silver paint behind on the Mauser's side?
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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1530

    The problem with this observation is that it is based, largely, on black and white high-contrast photos. What we are seeing isn't necessarily a "silver" disc it is merely an area that is a lighter tone than that around it. In the few color photos where it is visible it looks more "steel colored" in my opinion which would support the area being a gun metal color (which covers a lot of area).

    The other factor that I would suggest as a possible contribution is that whatever glue they used may have reacted with the bluing on the pistol and "cleaned" the area leaving either shining up the gunmetal finish or even removing it leaving a bare steel patch when it fell off. I don't know about you guys but I have actually seen this happen before (although not on a weapon).

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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1531

    I agree that there seems to be something else going on there, the exposed metal does seem to be a bit lighter than I realized in the disk and chipped areas. To me it seems whether masked in or milled the disk looks like it may be intentional. I'm not sure if an imperial disk was glued on or not but the size is mighty close. And as mentioned by someone earlier on, the Merr Sonns had the Imp disk right around the same area as the DL-44's mystery disk.

    Since the Imperial disk was just that, Imperial, I wonder if they intended to make the DL-44 look as though it 'had' an Imp disk on it at one point along with the added weathering? You know, since Han's character wouldn't likely want an Imperial insignia or emblem on his Blaster. Very tough to tell for sure!


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    Jul 24, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1532

    Yeah, until some better reference comes along this is just another detail we'll have fun obsessing over and endlessly debating. As far as the disc being "Imperial" they're all over Chewbacca's Bowcaster so maybe they're cutting it some slack lol.

    Also from an expanded universe stance wasn't Solo supposed to be an Imperial Officer Candidate at some point in his past? Also I suppose you could stretch a point that his DL-44 is a modified Military issue blaster (if you're into that sort of thing).

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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1533

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    Yeah, until some better reference comes along this is just another detail we'll have fun obsessing over and endlessly debating. As far as the disc being "Imperial" they're all over Chewbacca's Bowcaster so maybe they're cutting it some slack lol.

    Also from an expanded universe stance wasn't Solo supposed to be an Imperial Officer Candidate at some point in his past? Also I suppose you could stretch a point that his DL-44 is a modified Military issue blaster (if you're into that sort of thing).

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    Good points!

    ..I forgot all about the disks on the bowcaster too. Back to square one!


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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1534

    Anyone ever see another Mauser with a differently/under-machined ledge on the right side between the bolt and the bolt stopper? I noticed the ESB Stunt has this oddly machined lump, which I've never seen on any real Mauser.

    ESB stunt photos taken by Rymo



    Obviously the first explanation could be that the lump is from the filling process before casting the stunt blasters. But it seems to me that this ledge was cast into the ESB stunt blasters because the ledge was on the ANH Mauser that is was cast from. The ANH Hero shows evidence of this lumpy ledge being a machining flaw or variance in that particular Mauser.




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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1535

    Interesting!

    Are you able to share the high res pics of the ESB stunt DL44?

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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1536

    good spotting...

    There does seem to be something there on the HERO receiver that causes an overhang in that spot. On the other side it is like other c96s.




    strange new detail?
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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1537

    OdiWan72 said: View Post
    Are you able to share the high res pics of the ESB stunt DL44?

    Markus
    Sure, those close ups are from photos in a thread started by Rymo for SW exhibit photos.

    Star Wars exhibit - Lots of Pics

    I would love to see more quality photos of the ESB stunt! Not only to find out more about this ledge, but there might be something else there that we should see.

    The ANH Mauser is turning out to be even more unique than I realized.


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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1538

    I think that's a ROTJ stunt, it has that Scope mount. The ESB was quite different. I think the Exhibit just has it marked wrong - they're not as serious about props as we are
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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1539

    Good catch, it does appear to be the ROTJ stunt. But that should be the same exact cast Mauser base as the ESB stunt except with a different Mount and such attached.


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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1540

    Guys, please tell me not all Denix are like this. There isn't a straight line on this gun. It would be sacrilege to put anything on this turd. I've posted a couple of side by side to my MGC:







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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1541

    That΄s how they are.

    But you can΄t complain, it΄s not that bad for the requested price - and with some tlc they can be improved.
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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1542

    Yeah. definitely not the greatest replicas. In my situation, being in Canada, I'm actually lucky to even have 2. I believe they are the list of Denix replicas 'banned' in Canada. I was able to get mine through customs by fluke.
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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1543

    Like Michael said, The Denix is far from perfect out of the box, but if you take some time, with just files and sand paper, you can really fix it up so it looks much better. If you have a Dremel all the better.

    The good news is that it is a Zemac casting, mostly Zink and can be easily filed and can even be soldiered.

    I posted some images of the things I did to mine way back in the thread so you can see some possibilities.

    ...if we get enough interest.. we could make a very accurate aluminum version... Maybe they could be shipped separate top and bottom ?
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    Jul 25, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1544

    thd9791 said: View Post
    I think that's a ROTJ stunt, it has that Scope mount. The ESB was quite different. I think the Exhibit just has it marked wrong - they're not as serious about props as we are
    The labeling is correct. That's an ESB stunt (although I think the same stunts were likely used in ROTJ as well).

    The ROTJ heroes were copied from the ESB stunts. That's why they have the same mounting bracket.
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    Jul 25, 2012 - #1545

    Haha, sorry that is what denixes are like. That's why people save up for real mausers, mgcs, or buy mr blasters
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    Jul 26, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1546

    Anakin Starkiller said: View Post
    Haha, sorry that is what denixes are like. That's why people save up for real mausers, mgcs, or buy mr blasters
    Denix or MR - plaque or cholera, just that cholera is more expensive.

    Imho it΄s better do buy a Denix and spend some effort in making it good looking with nice parts added, than paying to much for a overpriced toy (not to mention some MR Han Blasters were based on the Denix) - but mileage may vary.
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    Jul 26, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1547

    lonepigeon said: View Post
    The labeling is correct. That's an ESB stunt (although I think the same stunts were likely used in ROTJ as well).

    The ROTJ heroes were copied from the ESB stunts. That's why they have the same mounting bracket.
    Ah, thank you! Never knew, but that makes sense. That's very common in these movies, the stunts turn into hero props later on haha
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    Jul 26, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1548

    The Denix is more of a toy with the working trigger. MR has a ton more detail. But some key areas are missing detail like the rear sight. What would be best is for someone to cast a few key parts to add to either one. ( rear site, hammer, etc)
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    Jul 26, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1549

    Keep in mind the first MR was a modified Denix. The Elite was much better.

    I would love an MGC, but have never found one for sale and probably couldn't afford it if I did. The Denix is what I have to work with.
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    Jul 26, 2012 - Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion #1550

    I'd even be willing to have some parts in resin since it's gonna be painted anyway.

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