ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

This hobby is starting to feel like owning a PC. Every couple of years what you have becomes obsolete! If it is flat my Bobadebt ANH blaster (last version) is now really inaccurate (well more than it was already). Was the ANH blaster Master Replicas made have flat or round? Not that they had all the best references, but I was just curious.

Hi Dcarty,

The top number from the top of the receiver to the inside top of the chamber is important. If you can, try not to measure the slot for the extractor but try to get the caliperto sit flat inside the chamber measure from there to the top of the tapered section of the receiver.

Also if you can get a measurement from the top of the receiver to the bottom of the upper receiver but not in the recess as show in my previous post.

Thanks so much for your help!

Also a measurement of the width of the top of the tapered receiver top for comparison if you can.

Thanks

Lichtbringer said:

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Not in every case - for some field training we got trainingsammunition/blanks with reduced power, as no slug needed to be pushed. To keep the effect of autoloading running, the reduced power had to be kept in the barrel for building up the needed pressure. Therefor we unscrewed the flashhider and put a blank-firing-adapter on. It has a really reduced outled to keep the pressure moving the bolt backwards instead of loosing the pressure through the barrel.

A 1mm offset would still provide more free flow than needed, probably another reduction would be needed, maybe invisible inside the barrel the bore was smaller, around 2-3mm.

True enough. Anything is possible with the way they made this prop.

Did you ever notice that the right side pre production HERO has a small bevel/chamfer below the big taper chamfer right next to the proof mark and looks like the barrel sticks out more than the receiver and on the left side pre production HERO the bull barrel seems to sit a little inboard, meaning the receiver sticks out more than the barrel.

Could mean the barrel is a little off center to the right OR that the receiver is a bit off?

kpax said:

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Could mean the barrel is a little off center to the right OR that the receiver is a bit off?

Maybe poor alignment when brazing the fake barrel on?

My Denix measurements.

Very close to real!

From my measurements if the bore is just 1.mm higher the round barrel is as possible as the flat.

I think the only way to really tell how the prop was really made is to "see" the bottom of the barrel either from the SW HERO or the Naked Runner.

I am trying to get the film on DVD, will keep you posted.

kpax said:

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Did you ever notice that the right side pre production HERO has a small bevel/chamfer below the big taper chamfer right next to the proof mark and looks like the barrel sticks out more than the receiver and on the left side pre production HERO the bull barrel seems to sit a little inboard, meaning the receiver sticks out more than the barrel.

Could mean the barrel is a little off center to the right OR that the receiver is a bit off?

The first possibilities that come to mind are either the bull barrel's center hole was maybe a tad too large, and in turn accidentally became offset while brazing like Lichtbringer said. Or, the machinist intended to drill the center hole off center and could have easily been off a little horizontally in the prosses. But, that would imply an off center barrel as well.

-Carson

Bad threading could also cause this. a very small misalignment will be "magnified" visually.

Thank you for contributing your measurements! It is very much appreciated!

dcarty said:

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Measurements off the MGC:

All the refinements we All can do to finally (hopefully) 'perfect' this Blaster, has to be leading to something great. I can feel it!

-Carson

kpax said:

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Bad threading could also cause this. a very small misalignment will be "magnified" visually.

That didn't occur to me at the time, that as well could be a possibility.

-Carson

kpax said:

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Carson, I took your drawings and superimposed it on the HERO CU. When lined up it looks like the flat spot would be as I show, a little lower than yours, not in the recess. What do you think?

Interesting.. With the right side pre-pro shot it's hard to say for sure, but in this shot it appears to be flush with the Mauser's recess.



Like I said, It's hard to say for sure. But I still have that feeling it may be milled flush with the recess.

-Carson

Just for comparison I took these pics with my phone so the shots aren't great but show that views can be deceiving

note that the top images show the production prop and my model at the same angle approx. (receiver off)

The bottom shot is my same receiver from a side view.

Note that the barrel is slightly over-sized and still looks like it is smaller in the top views.

Very tricky.

I was always under the impression that this with the flat bottom handel was the Bolo Mauser instead of the rounded bottom M96 broomhandel.

boba86solo said:

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I was always under the impression that this with the flat bottom handel was the Bolo Mauser instead of the rounded bottom M96 broomhandel.

The flat-bottom handle, short-barrel one is the Bolo.

Once kpax receives his Naked Runner DVD and gets some better pictures surfaced, maybe we can finally find a solid answer for this. So, keep your fingers crossed!

I only used this Bolo pic because it was the best side shot of the mauser profile to over lay the drawing.

When we get the bore placement measurement off the real Mauser we will have a solid clue...that and the DVD.

boba86solo said:

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I was always under the impression that this with the flat bottom handel was the Bolo Mauser instead of the rounded bottom M96 broomhandel.

Not quite on topic I know, but has anyone else noticed the apparent pin in circled in this photo?



-Carson

I don't think thats a pin, just a punch mark. Nothing to pin there. The upper has to move a bit when fired so it can't be pinned.

Don't know why there is a punch mark there though.

I actually put that on my model too.

naked runner DVD on it's way! I hope it really is a DVD and not VHS

RPGnerd said:

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Kurt, does the replicas upper receiver draw back, or do you mean the little T lever (like in a M4 rifle) pulls back? Some replicas don't have the same feature as the original guns.

In a real Mauser C96 you flip the safety to Fire and draw back the internal slide, but the upper receiver stays stationary (and will lock open if unloaded, otherwise it feeds a round). The hammer is now cocked and the safety may be put to safe now.

It will slide back slightly (under a quarter inch) and will do so when fired but remains for the most part stationary with the inner slide shooting back and over the hammer. The hammer does not self cock mechanically but gets slapped back from the slide ramming back cocking it.

The C96 is very odd, and it's to expensive to shoot ($2+ a bullet) but it looks so cool. My C96

SEE VIDEO TOO-pretty cool
YouTube - ‪Mauser C96 - Broomhandle‬‏

deadbolt said:

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My MGC does slide back a considerable amount with gravity when the hammer is cocked. With this photo at it's correct angle, the Upper Receiver seems to be unaffected by gravity, even with the hammer back.

Of course we would need to know if a real Mauser has that little amount of slide to it, first.

None of my MGCs slides back without additional impulse - and if it is pushed ... it slides back as soon as the hand is taken away from it.

I was watching an episode of The Sweeney ('70s British cop show) a few nights ago on ITV4, and there was a Broomhandle Mauser based sniper rifle which I'm sure was the modified gun with the bull barrel which would later become Mr Solo's sidearm of choice. It would make sense as it was shot in London during the mid '70s, as was Star Wars.

I didn't get a good look as the TV was only on as background noise and I only saw it for a few seconds but there might be the opportunity to get some images of the gun from new angles.

The episode was called "Big Brother" which was the fourth from series 2.

Hope this is of some help to you guys.

Hi Dcarty,

Have you had a chance to measure the area in red below?

We need the measurement from the top of the receiver to the top of the chamber -not including the square ejector area.

Also is your Mauser 7.63/30 cal ?

Thanks so much for your help.

Hi kpax,

I have the measurement--but I treat this as a temporary or a rough number. The micrometer wouldn't fit into the barrel enough to get an accurate measurement between the two points in question. I don't have a cartridge case to slide into the chamber (which is 7.63) so I found a comparable-ish rod to use and get a number with a digital caliper at work.

From the top of the Mauser to the top of the inside of the barrel was .1600 (I took several measurements and they were all within thousandths). The closest I could get with the micrometer was .2030

I need to track down some empty casings or blank rounds in the correct caliber (my pistol cannot be used as a shooter so I'd rather not have live ammo around).

Cheers!

Dave