And is that William Shatner's hairpiece in the foreground?!
As I've said before, my goal is to be taller then kids, because that's why I went with a Vader costume.
I'm another 5'8" guy, no stilts I use 3" inner-boot lifts to reach 6'5" in costume.
I'm taller then Obi-Wan and he's like 6'0"
I'm taller them Padme
And at least I'm taller then most of the RL/501st that I troop with. the Jango is like 6'1".
I actually think the vader from CIV did a great job. If you make the costume proportion to your body type then it looks good. I have a friend who wanted to do a vader who is a little on the big side. Could someone pm me who that vader was maybe he can help my friend out.
You have to remember that this is all in good fun for costuming. It was a con that he wore it to not a television show for LFL.
Thats just my thought.
I think that the guys who are well over 6 feet, approaching 6'6", and over 220-ish pounds are best suited (pardon the pun) for the Original Trilogy Vader look. They would be closer to the size of Dave Prowse and should capture that look nicely.
For those of us who are not that tall and have lighter builds, the ROTS Vader whould be the better choice - IMHO. Christensen is 6'1" tall. That's my height and as I'm about 175 pounds soakin' wet, I figure I have a similar build. With 1.75 inch lifts on the heels of my boots, inserts in the soles and the height from my Master Replicas Vader lid, I hit close enough to 6'6" in full gear to impress the be-jeepers out of anyone I've ever encountered.
Let's take this to another Level then . We have been talking about LARGE Vaders mostly to this point . See in that photo a post above of the Star Wars costumers standing in front of the "Fulfill your destiny " sign ?
Now Let's talk Stormtroopers. The Trooper on the left , looks very much like what we saw in the films [size wise ] ....... Cept for the Larger bucket maybe . BUT.....The Trooper on the right [same costume ] , looks noticeably larger and broader and somewhat short . And doesn't pull off that same screen "sameness " ! I've seen alot of Tk's that range from VERY VERY Short . To very very rotund . The stormtrooper armor requires one to be pretty slim and fairly long legged tall in order to pull off the screen accurate proper "Look " . Sure we all do this for the funfactor . But if one wants to do an iconic film character justice.....They should at least be close to the correct body dimensions if they want to do it right ! People DO notice . Even those that are not costumers themselves.
I agree with a lot of what's been said here. And like Neon Sentry says, I'm torn as well.
Over on the Brotherhood of the Bat, there's a few guys who really shouldn't be in a Batman costume, whether it's rubber armor, and especially spandex. There's not only a physical obstacle, but an age one as well, that really needs to be considered before even attempting putting it on.
I'm not trying to sound like a snob or anything, especially since the BOTB IS mainly there to help others in fixing up a licensed suit, to make it more wearable or decent looking, as well as showing techniques on how to make your own. Yeah, a bunch of guys make and offer their custom/fan made pieces, which are FAR better than anything out there, and is fully appreciated by people like me, who have no desire to sculpt and mold a cowl themselves.
But at least make sure you'll look presentable while in the thing. Ya' know? I'm not saying I'm the epitome of Bruce Wayne (far from it), but I'm not THAT far off.
A Foamies Batsuit CAN be made to look pretty good... But even a professionally made, high quality set of armor, wrapped around a chubby-wub, looks good to no one. Not even to a little kid. It's like looking at the mouth breathing, milky white skinned fatties who put on a Leia Slave Bikini outfit.... Just. Don't.
I remember seeing a few local guys, where I live, who got dressed up for The Phantom Headache, in their FX Trooper gear. One of the guys stood out like a sore thumb, because you could tell that his buddies had used white duct tape to strap the 300 pounder into the armor, to the point of where his black bodysuit (some nylon/lycra suit), was BULGING out between the armor segments, that were on the very close verge of cracking wide open, form the stress of the guy.
That's not right.
As much fun as the guy must have had in it, by fulfilling a fantasy he had.... Just. Don't.
I can fully understand how a lot of folks (TMP included), who want to keep things a certain level of quality, as far as costume accuracy and quality go, as well as physical fitness, within that costume. I can fully understand and appreciate starting a group that has higher standards than other groups. As long as it isn't done in a way where one "group" never looks down upon or treats those who either don't fit that criteria or even WISH to fit that criteria.
I think the 300dc forum that Got Maul started, is exactly the right role model to use, in regards to treating people respectfully. It's a great site and they all have a wonderful focus that should be commended.
But then, so's the BOTB, for what it's for. It helps people who've always wanted to a Batman suit of their own, PLUS it also "nicely" passes on info about losing the gut, so you don't look more like "Fatman". Sometimes the advice is taken well and if that info/advice goes in one ear and out the other, then so be it. At least they're having fun.
The 501st guys are obviously the elite Trooping group. And they're well within their right to have high demands. Or else you get the chubs that I mentioned earlier. A LARGE portion of the 501st guys I know of, are cool as could be and have nothing but the highest regard for others, who costume too.
But they sure DO have their share of bad eggs. Fortunately they seem to be the minority in the Garisson's. Except it seems because of them, that minority causes a stereotype that they're ALL conceited. Which is unfortunate, because of the charity work they do, is above and beyond all other groups in the world, who do that sort of thing.
I'd LOVE to put together a Predator or Vader suit. And I think those who know me, know I'd do the costumes as well as were done on film, at least. But I'd never attempt them, because not only do I not have the physique for it, but I'm only 5'-10" tall. That's okay for Iron Man or a Stormtrooper, but not Vader or a Pred. They need to be TALL. And I won't feel comfy wearing lifts or padding or anything.
I know plenty of other guys who do just that... They pad themselves up the ying-yang and jack up their height as much as possible and they look like they stepped right off the screen and you wouldn't ever notice.
But I'm more conscious of my own comfort, to even attempt that. Sweating for 12 hours in an Assassin's Creed costume is one thing. Doing that on stilts is another.
Aaaaannnnnd, that's my 2 cents.
Last edited by EchoSix; Mar 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM. Reason: I said majority, instead of minority. Ooops.
Great post, EchoSix.
Echosix - I concur. Mostly!
I think both you and I would make good Stormtroopers. Like I said, I'm about as close to Hayden Christensen as one could hope to get in height and weight so I can do good justice to the ROTS Vader look.
But I think that there is a range of height / weight combos that can also look good. For a Vader, I agree that an Original Trilogy Vader would not be the best choice for you. Or me - I quickly ruled it out because I just ain't big enough. However, you may wish to consider a ROTS Vader at some point. It could work!
I was way too big to be a Justin Timberlake...but I still did D.I.A.B costume for Halloween and I got nothing but compliments. In fact, I made it my icon...at least I tried to, heh.
I've since lost a lot of weight, but still too big to be an actual look-a-like, but if you do the costume well enough, people will totally recognize it. But, like others have mentioned, you want to wear stuff proportionate to your body type. Otherwise it will look off.
Older pic of my Jango. RA belts, holster and shin armor. Hybrid helmet reworked Rubies blasters and the rest hand made by me. Even though the official story is that Jango was a clone at 6'. I still feel a good Boba/Jango is 5' 10" thus feel a little to tall but still in the range. Other pic is me as a basic everyday ST at Celebration 3 i think.
As a Member of BOTH the 501st AND Rebel Legion [as well as a member of the BOTB ] ........i can say that none of them has ANY official requirements concerning physical body size /shape /gender in order to become a full member .
ALL they are concerned about is the quality of the costume .
A 400 lb woman "could " infact be accepted as a Stormtrooper in the 501st just as long as her armor was up to muster . And that same woman "could " be fully accepted as a slave leia , as long as her costume was up to specs .
To me , that's wrong ! But i live by the rules they create . ALL i can do is control my own impression .
It's a slippery slope we tread when we start "restricting " who we may or may NOT feel looks appropriate in a costume . BUT............ EVERYTHING in life has boundaries . And i think even costuming should have some "Boundaries " set for us to live by .
I see both sides of this. I agree that this one is a bit big to pull off Vader,however if its just for fun then I see nothing wrong with it. Perhaps a better one for this person to do would be a gamorrean guard. Just my personal thoughts.
This reminds me of that really high quality star wars fan film that had all of the cool CGI and interior hangar shots of the tie fighters and stuff ..was online for download about 3 or so years ago...But the hilarious thing is, all of the actors were overweight, some just fat! the only one that was not had this enormous pointy chin and I believe she was some kind of sith type humanoid, That was the one thing in the filmm regarding human characters that was right on.
Last edited by jtparker; Mar 22, 2009 at 2:27 AM.
I am 6'3 and when these pictures were taken 3 years ago I weighed in at 285lbs (ive since lost about 40 pounds, and upgraded the inner cape/codpiece/belt of my suit). Looking back I dont think I looked AWFUL, but you can definetely tell there was a bit too much Vader...
If those are the before pics, I think you look fine.
I agree, unless there is a distinct convex shape then it's all ok.
I always thought I was too tall for a TK (6'3") so mine is for display only. I was considering a vader but I'd get at least 3" insert lifts and another 3" from my helmet making 6' 9", a respectable height for vader as lots of Troopers are on the 6'2" mark.