ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

Is the consensus still that the bolt should be bare metal?
(except for the extractor, of course)

IMO, they wouldn't have modified or painted parts of the pistol that were needed to function.
They would have been left alone- whatever condition the pistol was in at the time.
I think they would have painted only the lower; if needed.

IMO, Skywalker's ESB blaster was left alone & just had the plant-ons painted. (3rd photo)

On a new C-96 these parts are in the white-polished to some extent:
  • read sight leaf
  • lock frame
  • lock frame stop
  • lock frame internal parts
  • bolt
  • firing pin
  • magazine follower
  • hammer
Re-finished as new:

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With age they tarnish to a darkish-grey color:

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I'd leave those parts that were meant to be in the white, a gray-ish metal color as shown above.
They were old, and that goes w/ the design element of Star Wars.
 
Is the consensus still that the bolt should be bare metal?
(except for the extractor, of course)

It's hard to tell for sure if the bolt itself is painted or not with the photos we have available. Most of the photos seem to show a black bolt, but as Pat pointed out some time ago the 2nd and 3rd photos below seem to show a lighter colored silver-ish bolt instead.
And like both Pat and mgoob mentioned the bolt needed to function for the film so it seems it could go either way at this point with the bolt's color.. We all could really use a new set of photos to study! There's too many things still unknown about this blaster.


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-Carson
 
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One thing I've noticed...

Red 9 C96s all have the extractor dark blue or darker color in relation to the bolt. I'm not 100% sure but I thought it was an identifying marker of the Red 9s. I might be wrong though.

If I'm right then Red 9's values just skyrocketed.
 
There was a photo, that I can't find on-line,
that was used in the Walmart promotion of the
Star Wars trilogy being released on DVD for the 1st time.

It was a large, cardboard display right by the front door.
DVD sets on all 4 sides, with photos on the edges & top.

One photo showed Solo pointing his blaster towards screen left.
You could clearly see that the bolt was in the white.

It was the rear of the bolt- those two protrusions that extend
outside the width of the frame. They were clearly white (grayish).

I didn't have camera phone at the time- hence no photo.

You'll just have to take my word that those protrusions were white.

CARSON: I wasn't aware that there were photos of Solo in the Cantina holding the Hero.
I understood that scene was shot in USA using the 'Greedo-killer' MGC blaster.

If he is holding the Hero, that's clearly showing it white.
 
There was a photo, that I can't find on-line,
that was used in the Walmart promotion of the
Star Wars trilogy being released on DVD for the 1st time.

It was a large, cardboard display right by the front door.
DVD sets on all 4 sides, with photos on the edges & top.

One photo showed Solo pointing his blaster towards screen left.
You could clearly see that the bolt was in the white.

It was the rear of the bolt- those two protrusions that extend
outside the width of the frame. They were clearly white (grayish).

I didn't have camera phone at the time- hence no photo.

You'll just have to take my word that those protrusions were white.

CARSON: I wasn't aware that there were photos of Solo in the Cantina holding the Hero.
I understood that scene was shot in USA using the 'Greedo-killer' MGC blaster.

If he is holding the Hero, that's clearly showing it white.

If I'm not wrong the only parts that were picked up were the cuts of Greedo talking and the blaster being drawn. The rest was on location.

Editing magic
 
lonepigeon said: View Post
I might have the ridge thickness off, but that long highlight is definitely on the ridge and it extends past the base. My drawing is based on the actual photo which is clearer than the Chronicles scan, but some stuff is still lost to the darkness. I only reposted it on top of your scan because I don't have permission to post the original.
Here's a second attempt highlighting some faint, but sharp value differences that might be edges. I'm positive about the outline of the antenna head - that much is very clear in the original pic (yours is too large and drawn too far to the right).

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Carson's 3D model works well and matches up with pics so I don't see why you can't make it work.
Carson - Is the track scaled correctly in our 3D image?
The base should be about 1/2 inch wide.

As to why the sight broke the way it did...
T-track is rigid. It was heated and bent into the Sterling holes. Once cooled is holds very tight and you don't even need glue. I'm not sure if it's rigid/brittle enough to break on impact. It may have been cut or broken accidentally in a more direct way like pliers or vise (might explain the two scalloped shaped cuts in the right outlined above). It's easy to see how the antenna fell off since there is very little surface area to adhere to.

PS - T-track matches up in ANH, ESB and ROTJ. There are good ANH E-11 blaster pics that confirm the dimensions.


Any chance since time has passed you have permission to show us the real photo yet? ;)

Wow a flurry of activity!

Nice video! Fun stuff.


I would love to see that pic too, but this version of Lonepigeon's purple overlay copies where I originally outlined the antenna head exactly.
The rest of the "base/T Track" outline is just that in my opinion. There is not track base in these images. I believe all those highlights are just glue residue.
I believe I showed fairly conclusively in my comparison images that the side and top highlights and shadows line up and match and it is not possible for the track to be there. If the Antenna/Pushrods were like the MR design, the Antenna would sit too high and the edge of the track would be very evident, but can not be seen in any photos. I think it is like the MerrSonn with the antenna sitting on the barrel next to the upright blade of the track.
Either the base was ground down to next to nothing (very thin) OR the sides were ground off.

Now that we know what the actual size and shape of the antenna thanks to Carsons great find, we can tell exactly where that one (right side) antenna is placed. Carson did a great job estimating the dimensions as well. VERY close to the molded parts!
The HERO screen used and post production images only have the one right side antenna (and part of the pin in some shots) the rest is glue reside in my opinion.

My thought is that when they first made the prop, it had the two antenna heads with a blade between. Maybe the track was cut like a ramp sight ( which would make sense for an armorer to do making it look like a front sight) or it was left square like the MerrSonn, but since no photos or screen shots show any evidence of either of these, it is up in the air...still. But there is no way IMO that the antenna could be sitting on the track base, it is simply too thick and would make the "sight" sit too high above the FH. Just look at some of the examples and compare.,,but remember that the publicity image of HF shows the FH tipped up! (the back edge of the FH is sitting on the top of the bull barrel) which makes the antenna "seem" to sit higher in that photo! Take out the booster and fit the FH and tip it against the top of the barrel yourself. You will see how much higher the antenna sits then and see that it does not make sense.

I personally intend to do the ramp blade and antenna on barrel type. I will compare them to the publicity photos when finished. Maybe that will help get closer to an answer.
 
Some publicity images the bolt looks dark and maybe painted (touched up?) but most images and the screen shots as well show a lighter colored metal bolt. I think, since it was a firing model, the bolt and trigger and sight were all similar to how you see many images of REAL C96s.

Those Cantina stills clearly show the HERO being held by HF and a light bolt.,,and ONE antenna by the way. Same as the post production top view image. The sight clearly broke off very early in production and they never repaired it for some reason, prob because they never expected us to be looking so close.!
 
Originally I had planned on leaving the bolt on my MGC the way it is because it has a nice amount of wear along the edges. But I want to sand/file the mold lines out; so I think I'll strip off the finish and let the bare metal tarnish so it's gray rather than shiny silver.
 
I also just saw the amazing video on tested, congratulations on a lot of hard work paying off! I'm interested in getting in on the next run of these, is subscribing to this thread the best way to stay up on that or is there something else I should do?
 
Mike, Carson,
good observations, but weren't they firing blanks? they couldn't have painted the bolt or it wouldn't cycle,
or were these scenes filmed without firing??
 
Mike, Carson,
good observations, but weren't they firing blanks? they couldn't have painted the bolt or it wouldn't cycle,
or were these scenes filmed without firing??

Blanks for sure... 100% sure in my book.

The extractor could not have been painted. Red 9 Mausers exhibit the darker extractor/brighter bolt almost on every example I've seen.
 
good point for the screen used gun. they "could have" painted it post production for the pub. stills but may only be lighting.
 
I agree, after the 2nd muzzle flash discussion it's definite now that the Hero prop was firing blanks during filming. So it seems more likely they would have left the bolt silver and unpainted for that reason. But..the available reference photos don't seem to be helping us come to a solid conclusion for that area.

Also you may possibly be on to something there, Pat. I know there's no real evidence of it at the moment, but I wonder if the bolt could have been a two stage kind of thing where it was painted originally and then stripped back to bare metal sometime after? If we can figure out a general timeline that the photos were taken that could possibly help as well. Like for example when were the chronicles photos taken, before, during or after filming? It's very tough to tell for sure by looking at any of the photos, except for the few obvious pre-production photos of course.

There's one photo-shoot photo, and the three chronicles photos that seem to suggest a black bolt. Then the two cantina photos that definitely seem to suggest a silver bolt instead. If the bolt was ever painted it couldn't have looked too good after a few cycles..:p

This could be just another photo illusion or artifact, but the left-side chronicles photo looks like it might show some chipping/scratches through the black of the bolt:

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-Carson
 
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I just realized something a little earlier.. First off, it was already determined and known before this project that the Lower/Frame of the ANH Hero Mauser was swapped out with one different than the Naked Runner Mauser had originally. But the Upper receiver parts of the ANH Hero are still from the NR Mauser obviously due to the bull barrel. I'm guessing the swapped frames was necessary since the ANH Mauser needed the Mount on the opposite side.

And during this project thanks to Dpp1978 and dcarty we already know that most of the NR Mauser setup was also used in an episode of a show called 'The Sweeney', same frame, bull barrel and all. But way back around the same time we were all finding that out, the member Krel let us all know that there was a similar looking Mauser used in a show called 'The Protectors' as well. And a ways back Pat managed to get some stills from that show, which are posted below.

And I didn't quite catch on until now that that's not the Naked Runner Mauser in The Protectors.. It appears to be the Mauser that the ANH Hero's Lower/Frame came from! The Mount spacers definitely seem to look about right and they're also on the correct side for the ANH Hero. For some reason I didn't notice until today that the mount is on the wrong side of the Protectors Mauser for it to be the Naked Runner gun. And this particular Mauser doesn't appear to have a bull barrel either.

Very interesting that two strikingly similar, custom 'man from uncle' style Bapty props might have been merged into this one Star Wars prop we all love so much.

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-Carson
 
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