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    May 29, 2012 - Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #1

    Hello friendlies.
    For a while, I've been playing with plasticine to make some sculptures. I particularly like the fact that it is easy to manipulate, join together and can be revisited easily at any time without hassle. However, I've found that it can be a little too vulnerable to damage, sagging and falling apart.
    I've had a play with some water based clay I got from my local craft shop, but found that it shrank and cracked a bit upon drying.

    Question:
    Could anybody recommend a good alternative to sculpt with?
    I've heard many mentions of products such as Sculpey and the like, yet I have never used any of these products myself.

    While I'm still working on the sculpt, it'd be nice to have the flexibility to easily come and go without any major problems. Then maybe it could be good if I could finalize the sculpture somehow to reduce the risk of any unwanted movement or damage.
    Obviously, I'm a novice, so any information would be great.

    Thank you very much
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #2

    You could try monstermakers.com monster clay. It has a low melting point, so you can soften it with a hair dryer, of the microwave. but are room temp it is harder than chivant hard, which helps with detailing. It is oil based you can leave it for days, downfall though, its a bit pricey
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #3

    I'd suggest Chavant Y2KLAY, melting point is again low so heat gun or hair dryer works great as does skin temp, you can work it for many minutes before it changes back to a harder constancy so it gives you plenty of working time, that and it hardens up to allow it to be carved and even machined if you need

    Chavant NSP hard is also a great clay

    neither can be microwaved, a toaster oven is best
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    May 29, 2012 - #4

    There are a lot of quality non sulfur clays out there. It is a personal choice as some like softer clays that you can just slap down, some like myself prefer hard clays with low melt points to ensure high detail in the sculpts. Before monster makers and the newer NSP's I used to formulate my own. Big tip, build your self a heat box. Take a small box like a shoe box, line it with tinfoil and get a clip light with a 100wt bulb. Chop your clay up and put it in the box. Place the lamp over the box and there you go. After a while the clay will soften and become nice and workable. Plus it's right there ready to use with out using a microwave.


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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #5

    gobler said: View Post
    There are a lot of quality non sulfur clays out there. It is a personal choice as some like softer clays that you can just slap down, some like myself prefer hard clays with low melt points to ensure high detail in the sculpts. Before monster makers and the newer NSP's I used to formulate my own. Big tip, build your self a heat box. Take a small box like a shoe box, line it with tinfoil and get a clip light with a 100wt bulb. Chop your clay up and put it in the box. Place the lamp over the box and there you go. After a while the clay will soften and become nice and workable. Plus it's right there ready to use with out using a microwave.


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    interesting, with chivant i usually just fill a trashbag, even uncut fill my slop sink with hot water, have a smoke, get a drink, come back 15 min and its as soft as wed for about a half hour.
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    May 29, 2012 - #6

    But using a hot box will keep the clay workable for as long as you are sculpting.. Also depending how close you put the lamp you can get the clay to almost a slurry or a paste/cream consistency.


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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #7

    that was chivant i was talking about, i've done enough clay pour in my time to never get near creamy, or slurry melted chivant unless i'm wearing welding gloves :P
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #8

    Worth pointing out that Ally Morrisson at Games Workshop used Sculpy and he managed the current tomb kings skeleton warriors with it!
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #9

    i do small scale with sculpy with no problem, but i could not handle that small scale
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #10

    GW do everything in 3up so a 28mm miniature is actually sculpted at 85mm tall so it's not that small, all the same, though, shows what it can do. He also sculpts the models that are eventually metal in one sitting without baking. Again, shows the medium's quality.
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #11

    I think the big question is what do you want to sculpt? There are plenty of great clays out there, but they're not all right for every project.
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    May 29, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #12

    i keep forgetting that sculpy comes in soft, medium and hard since ive only used the soft :P
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    May 30, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #13

    i have been using Chavant NSP medium for years, and love it. i high recommend it. i would asvoid monstermakers clay. it's terrible and messy and greasy. not to mentioned over priced because it has their brand on it :/
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    May 30, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #14

    Quagmire9 said: View Post
    i have been using Chavant NSP medium for years, and love it. i high recommend it. i would asvoid monstermakers clay. it's terrible and messy and greasy. not to mentioned over priced because it has their brand on it :/
    MM clay is wonderful! Superior to anything else I've ever used. Messy? How so?? Greasy? Not at all, perhaps waxy, and that, I've found, is a desirable property. Over-priced? Not any more expensive than the NSP (which has the "Chavant" brand name on it... your comment doesn't make any sense).
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    May 30, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #15

    I'm not sure what happened with the batch you tried, Quagmire, but the Monster Clay I've used is significantly less messy than my NSP (soft). It doesn't stick to skin and tools like NSP does. I did the math recently, and Monster Clay is exactly the same price as NSP, within a few cents per pound. I like 'em both.

    But again, it's really about what you need to sculpt.
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    May 30, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #16

    I have used Monster Clay, I like it, it is a cool clay... my chief complaint is the low melt point makes it soften up more than I like it when working on any one area... heat from hands alone enough to mar some detail...
    NSP... I like it also, good solid clay, work detail in well
    My choice is Castilene but to be honest, I have not tried it since Chavant bought it and reformulated it... I have enough of the original around, at least for now...
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    May 31, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #17

    Quagmire9 said: View Post
    i have been using Chavant NSP medium for years, and love it. i high recommend it.
    ^This

    Since I began using Chavant NSP medium, I decided I would no longer use any other clay for my sculpts. You can use medium for big sculpts, or hard for tiny things.
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    May 31, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #18

    Big thank you to you all for the great advice. I've been doing some research on your comments and I feel that Chavant NSP looks to be what I'll try. I'll probably go the medium firmness first and see how I cope with that.
    Secondly, aside from the great ideas some of you had for heat boxes, would anyone know if there might be an actual product that would serve the same purpose? Maybe a little pot kind of thing with an adjustable temperature? Maybe there's some kitchen product out there... I'll have a look.
    Again, big thanks and I let you know how I go.

    BTW, my research tells me that the Chavant is pourable when heated enough. Has anyone tried this? If so, what kind of consistency are we talking? Milk? Cream? Water???
    What I'd be hoping for is, if I already had a mold and I wanted to make a similar sculpture but could save time by casting it in the Chavant, I could then simply alter the cast to achieve the modified design?

    As always, love your advice.
    Cheers - Chris
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    May 31, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #19

    SPS said: View Post
    Big thank you to you all for the great advice. I've been doing some research on your comments and I feel that Chavant NSP looks to be what I'll try. I'll probably go the medium firmness first and see how I cope with that.
    Secondly, aside from the great ideas some of you had for heat boxes, would anyone know if there might be an actual product that would serve the same purpose? Maybe a little pot kind of thing with an adjustable temperature? Maybe there's some kitchen product out there... I'll have a look.
    Again, big thanks and I let you know how I go.

    As always, love your advice.
    Cheers - Chris
    You said it... crock pot works a charm!
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    May 31, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #20

    About the consistency... think melted chocolate, like a dense cream. To keep it warm, I have a friend who uses a wax warmer (those used to melt depilatory wax) with regulable temperature.

    You can definitely make a casting in chavant with the pouring method, just be sure to apply a release agent first.
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    Jun 1, 2012 - Re: Plasticine no more: What's best for sculpting? #21

    A wax pot for heating leg wax. You can get them at beauty and hair suppliers or attend a beauty expo for really cheap prices. I use one to formulate prosthetic gelatine in.

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