ed209 said:
thank you! i think thats one of the best scenes in the movie!
ed209 said:
thank you! i think thats one of the best scenes in the movie!
rosskow said:
thanks! ive kinda slowed down a bit, but im still working!
Hi,
Just saw this thread. Your doing a great job. I have photos of the Creature Mask for the second movie. I did a preservation on it for a collector. It's the head used with the working gills.
HMS Mike
HMS Mike said:
Wow! That's really amazing! I'd love to see any pics you have and really any information on it or the other masks you may have! I've seen a few foam filled masks on eBay that say they were from a preservation effort to save the molds or the mask or something, but have never seen any other info on in.
It's a shame that they resculpted the mask for the second movie though, it came out way to round to me :/ I'd love to know how the gills operated though! I have my theory's but I haven't found any evidence to prove it.
Thanks for the post! I hope to hear back from you!
Hi,
You can see photos here.
Creature from the Black Lagoon - a set on Flickr
HMS Mike
HMS Mike said:
wow, those pics are great!! is that before or after the restoration? no offense or anything, i just dont know what shape the mask was in or how far it was restored.
finaly think im done with the sculpt!!
let me know what you guys think and if you have any ideas on how to make it better!
now ive got to mold it which im really nervous about... ive never done a 2 part mold before, and im not sure what material to use. i have hidrocal from monstermakers.com, but im scared of using it because its a one shot thing and if i mess up theres no way to remold. im also thinking about using silicone with a hard mothermold. ive had experience using silicone and am more comfortable with it, but ive been told before that lated and silicone done really like eachother... so would it be posible to cast a latex mask in a silicone mold? im also planning on doing resin or latex foam filled busts so think the silicone would be better.. so any tips?
thanks!
heres some pics!
thanks for looking!
Been quite an audience of this build from the start... I just reserved my thoughts and smile..
Honestly, I have no idea what this creature is, so I have to google it up just to be educated... lol... (you should've see me saying to myself "so that's what he's talking about"... lol
)
You've done superbly well my friend...
It looks more friendly than scary though...
Cant help with the molding though since I have no experience on rubber mask making myself...
At any rate, do more research and hopefully some experienced member will pop out to help...
Good luck and congrats for a job well done so far
pRoJectEarth7 said:
Been quite an audience of this build from the start... I just reserved my thoughts and smile..
Honestly, I have no idea what this creature is, so I have to google it up just to be educated... lol
You've done superbly well my friend...
It looks more friendly than scary though...
Cant help with the molding though since I have no experience on rubber mask making myself...
At any rate, do more research and hopefully some experienced member will pop out to help...
Good luck and congrats for a job well done so far
thanks for posting!
haha and he deoes look kinda friendly from some angles but hopefully with a good paintjob he'll be a bit scarier! xD
yeah, ill have to research the moding a bit more..
and thanks for the compliments!
BTW, I just remember... try to send PM to Darth Pinhead... he has done a pretty good job on his predator rubber hand and is quite a great guy, always willing to share tips and tricks...MrGzilla said:
cheers!
pRoJectEarth7 said:
thanks! ill have to contact him!
Nice job on the sculpt!
There is a way you could mold it that would let you cast it several ways, but it is a bit of a pain, and more expensive---I did it like this with one of my bat cowls. And I have a Swamp Thing sculpt I'll probably do this way eventually.
Make a silicone mold with hard mother mold, then use that to make a urethane flexible foam-filled master. You can then use that urethane foam-filled master to make a one piece ultracal mold (you can do ultracal in layers, reinforcing it with burlap). Once the ultracal is cured, collapse the urethane foam-filled master and pull it out. You can now make latex masks and latex foam-filled busts with the ultracal mold, and hard resin copies with the silicone mold.
There's more than one way to get it done, and a lot depends on what you want the final product to be. Good luck!
Wow, that sculpt is incredible! Can't wait to see it cast and painted.
And I know how you feel going into molding it. I make a lot of foam latex prosthetics pieces from a clay master and hydrocal mold. Most of mine are just partial faces, not full heads. The biggest problem I've had is misjudging an undercut and essentially locking the mold onto the sculpt. You may have problems with the extreme undercuts of the gills on the sides of the head. So a flexible material for the inner mold may be the way to go. I'm sure some of the talent on here can tell you what is best. Good luck.
BatTexan said:
Nice job on the sculpt!
There is a way you could mold it that would let you cast it several ways, but it is a bit of a pain, and more expensive---I did it like this with one of my bat cowls. And I have a Swamp Thing sculpt I'll probably do this way eventually.
Make a silicone mold with hard mother mold, then use that to make a urethane flexible foam-filled master. You can then use that urethane foam-filled master to make a one piece ultracal mold (you can do ultracal in layers, reinforcing it with burlap). Once the ultracal is cured, collapse the urethane foam-filled master and pull it out. You can now make latex masks and latex foam-filled busts with the ultracal mold, and hard resin copies with the silicone mold.
There's more than one way to get it done, and a lot depends on what you want the final product to be. Good luck!
thanks for the info! so im guessing i was right about not being able to cast latex masks in the silicone mold?
i already have plenty of ultracal and don't mind getting the silicone, but how would i do the collapsible urethane foam filled master?
BornKIlr said:
thanks, ive thickened the back of the gills quite a bit, but its still quite an undercut, thats why i would rather do a silicone mold, but i still dont know if latex will cure in it.
Hey there! Great work!
It's funny you should ask about Silicone and Latex, I was just reading the Bane mask thread and they talk about it pretty thoroughly towards the end. (I have always been curious about this too) Basically what I gather is that you can cast latex in silicone molds, but since it lacks the absorption of Hydrocal plaster, it takes much longer for the latex to cure. In your case though, I think it's worth it. You have some major undercuts and might run into trouble. Plus it's nice not worrying that if the mold is ruined, your sculpt was for nothing. Worth the price of silicone.
Also some constructive criticism for your mask, you might consider blending the forehead wrinkles a little more naturally into the scalp dome. You could do this by bringing the wrinkles a little higher up around the temple region. Take this advice or leave it, because your sculpt is already very close to the original. Also it seems to me that the creature's eyes "puff out" a little more.
Hope some of that helps
MCL34N said:
thanks for that! ill have to check out the bane thread. and that's what i was hoping to hear!
and as for the forehead wrinkles, ive been using high res pics, and also my bust of the underwater mask as reference, and the wrinkles end pretty abruptly at the forehead leaving a relatively smooth top of the head, and as for the eyes, im going to leave them recessed a bit because you'll have to cut them out for the masks and id like to keep them closer to the face.
thanks for the compliments and tips!
I don't really do latex casts but this place does: TheEffectsLab.com :: View Forum - The Laboratory
The thing that makes this a tough mold is that even after you make the mold, you need to dig the clay out of the mold, and it will be tough with those deep fins.
clonesix said:
thanks for the link!
Yeah, like MCL34N, latex cures faster in stone molds (plaster, hydrocal, ultracal, etc) because it absorbs moisture from the latex. Especially with those gills, latex would take forever to cure in a silicone mold.MrGzilla said:
Basically, to make a urethane foam-filled master, you build up a coat of urethane inside the silicone mold by a combination of brushing and rolling it around to get into every nook and cranny. Probably about 1/8" thick, and as evenly as possible. If I remember right, I used 30 shore urethane for that. After the urethane has set up for a few hours, you then fill it with the flexible foam (I used FlexFoam-iT III from Smooth-On).
After everything has cured, you'll need to use something like a bread knife to take out some of the core of the foam, enough that allows you to reach in and collapse the whole thing and remove your urethane foam-filled master. That may be tricky, given the gills---wasn't too hard with a bat cowl, but your gill man could make that more difficult. You may have some difficulty in pulling your master out of the ultracal mod, too, as well as your actual latex castings. But I think it can be done, as long as you don't rush it and are careful.
That's my 2 cents
I went back an reworked the right side underneath the eye. It was a little too puffy and didn't match the left side.
Great changes,this turned out epic!
Can't wait to see how your casting goes,please post how you go about the process!
chimmera30 said:
thanks! and i definitely will!
Hi,
Do the silicone first and then make a urethane flexible foam-filled master. It is the best way to what you want latex casts and hard casts.
HMS Mike
Thats a beautiful sculpt. This was always my favorite classic movie monster.
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