Well, he did grow up to be Dark Vader.
Well, he did grow up to be Dark Vader.
WHAT ?! "Oliver Twist 2"?! Dang, missed that one!EvilRocketeer said:
Who, Clay?CTF said:
Stop hitting yourself!
Now, take that hand and give me a hi-five!
CTF said:
I meant Oliver twist toobut i wouldnt doubt if there was an oliver twist 2....maybe straight to dvd
Originally Posted by niennumb1
I miss when people got into films because they had great talent and not only because Daddy and Mommy are big stars.
Ah yes, but as I carefully said in that post, I did say, "I miss when people got into films because they had great talent and not ONLY because Daddy and Mommy are big stars."Larry Young said:
When I see Jayden on screen at all, I see a kid who thinks he's hot s*** and that's it. You see how he is on interviews. I just don't like is wise-ass weasel little attitude he gives like the world owes him the respect.
Sorry, just makes me sick and teaches kids the wrong way to conduct themselves around adults when/if they look up to him as a child role model example.
Sounds a lot like Charlie Sheen.niennumb1 said:
Mind you, he worked with Oliver Stone, so he earned respect.
Then, lost it again.
...and again.
Heh.
I honestly think it's yet another unnecessary remake. It's that simple. It's just more crap rolling out of Hollywood that should just be flushed down the toilet of bad ideas.
I don't know what's worse, the fact that Will Smith is remaking "Annie" to allow his daughter to act (which she appeared briefly in "I Am Legend"), or the fact that we're going to do it again for a third time (I say this because I remember the Will Smith/Jada Pinkette Smith rending of "All My Love", and one bit where Jada says she kisses three kids that look like Will).
There's no indication when the movie is set yet and I don't think race factors a hill of beans. The idea of a young orphan being adopted and experiencing extraordinary wealth was a common device in the wake of the great depression, when people loved to read happy rags to riches stories. And although this economy is far from the GD, it is bad and that story might just hit the spot.
Annie is particularly charming because first, she deserves the hapiness she receives, and second, among all the riches in the world, at the end of the day, all she wants is love and a family. That is a universal tale and could take place any time period. FDR of all people would not have cared what color the orphan who charmed him was, and to imply a white person never ever adopted a black child in the 30s is just not true, I assure you. Of course it was infinitely more rare unfortunately, but it happened. I love the Annie story, and if you look at it from a different prospective, the race issue might enhance it.
The time to aspire to is when we can look at a child and say "wow, cute kid" and not "wow, cute (black/white/Hispanic) kid.
Will Smith wanting to help his children is fine by me. Ultimately, no matter who they are, it's what they bring to the table. If they deserve to be there, the public will decide.
P.S. Charlie Sheen stars in one of, if not the, most successful television show on television today.
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Well, sure, but do you think the audience saw a glimmer of all those Oscars and Golden Globes when the lads were in Sea Hunt? Did the audience suspect a half-English accent from Carrie Fisher, the ingenue from Shampoo? Kids are kids.niennumb1 said:
That's a fair point.niennumb1 said:
I'm with you, Ken. Like I posted way back on page one, it's not about the character (god knows any kid can be a hard-luck orphan) as much as the time period. The depression is as big a part of that story as Annie herself. The article indicates that they're reviving the "musical" Annie, and you either have to lose or drastically change entire scenes and songs involving the period or you have to address the race issue to keep it in the depression era. Not a lot of rich, black industrialists in the 30s who have a private audience with the president, and not a lot of rich white tycoons in the 30s adopting black children... It's certainly going to be a changed story one way or another - and then, as you said, you should just write your own story.
The one interesting track I think they could do is keep the era, keep the white Warbucks, and take Warbucks' reluctance to warm up to the girl and make that as much about race as it is about his cold heart and gruff exterior. It could actually be an interesting layer, and a nice transformation as he comes to love her despite his inherent prejudices.
They need to get a kid who has lived the poor life to truly understand what it's like not being spoiled and thrown into fame from birth.
This part I think is right on.The one interesting track I think they could do is keep the era, keep the white Warbucks, and take Warbucks' reluctance to warm up to the girl and make that as much about race as it is about his cold heart and gruff exterior. It could actually be an interesting layer, and a nice transformation as he comes to love her despite his inherent prejudices.
For years african americans were only cast as crooks or stereotypes - even comics only used the broadest type of black superhero which is why now you are starting to see reworkings of Nick Fury and such. Comparing a slavery film to a musical about a little orphan girl is just plain silly and you should know EVERYONE wanting to make a statement but afraid of how they will be percieved starts said statement with "my best friend is black - or - i have lots of gay friends". Just consider all of these remakes with blacks recast as leads as a correction of equality that should have always been in play. The nepitism however is unforgiveable.
Oh Jet, the black superheroes we grew up with were seriously the worst. If I'd been a black kid I would have rather had zero representation in my funnybooks than those jive-talking caricatures! Who was the one in 70's/80s spidey? Rocket Racer or something? Afro, skateboard? The only worse one was their hispanic hero when Peter was in college: The White Tiger! And that was a fairly progressive mainstream comic, sadly.
I dunno; I can't speak to that experience at all, so...
I won't.
I will note that the John Stewart Green Lantern came from that timeframe. And Tyroc from the Legion wasn't anything but straightforward.
I have a feeling he's been buying his wife parts. So no big surprise.
But I'll help the kid out...by not going to see it. Then I won't associate her with that stinker.
I don't know. I think Jada did a pretty good job as a writer and a director for the film The Human Contact. It's a little out there for most, but still I thought it was an interesting film. Of course, just my opinion.terryr said:
Yes - amazing that the green lantern corp had a talking squirrel and a giant pickle on their team before ever getting to an african american - but westies sees my point. Most black superheroes had "black" in their name - now, this could have been a way to refer to the amount of "black pride" sweeping the nation but black lightning, black Panther - i believe there was even a black arrow for an issue or two - luke cage was a jive talking bad mo fo straight from what a white writer who probably thought this is what black people will like. I dont remember one black kid i knew growing up wanting to be luke cage - they all wanted to be spiderman.
John Stewart pre-dates Ch'p by eleven years.Jet Beetle said:
I don't know about the "giant pickle," but I remember the Vulcan Green Lantern if that gets me Internet points.
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