Why does everyone think Yoda was winded lifting the X-Wing?!

This was brought up again in the 1313 thread so I'm going to ask everyone instead of veering that thread off course. Every time I hear someone talk about the Force they point to Yoda lifting the X-Wing from the swamp and insist it was hard for him to do so. Is it because he sighs after doing it? I never once thought it tired him out; he sighed because Luke didn't understand. Remember the whole "size matters not" thing? According to what Yoda says lifting the X-Wing is no different than lifting a pebble. So that view contradicts what Yoda says.

Now I'm not saying that you could pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, but a starfighter isn't that big.

And why does he need a cane if he can jump around like the Tazmanian Devil?

Because he's 900 years old. In Episode three he was only what 870-875? Huge difference, man!

It's all downhill after 880.

Trooper_trent said:

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Because he's 900 years old. In Episode three he was only what 870-875? Huge difference, man!

Then explain how Stacy knocked him out with a lightsaber after insulting her.*








*J/k, don't need an explanation.

I always looked at is as he was OLD, and it showed, BUT when he wanted to tap the force he could, but to use it just to get around and be more nimble on a daily basis would have been using the force for personal used and "using the force as a shortcut" and therefore more of a Darkside thing.

But wait a minute - if you take Yoda's lesson that moving the rocks was no more difficult than moving the X-wing, why is it so implausible that someone strong in the Force could bring a SD down? Wasn't it his point that its only your own perception of things that makes them "impossible"? That if you really focus your will and put aside your preconceived notions about what you perceive to be impossible, then you can accomplish anything? Ever since I saw ESB as a kid, thats what I took away from that scene.

And for the record, I never thought Yoda was tired after lifiting the X-Wing. Just kinda frustrated that he had to prove himself to this punk kid.

I always thought he was tired, ever since I saw ESB in 1980.

I always took it as some foreshadowing that he was getting "up there" in his years. He's not the young... (what the heck IS his species again?)... Yoda he used to be.

I mean he croaked in the next film. That was a year later right?


Kevin

Because at the 5 minute mark at this video, you can see his shoulders heaving up and down several times as Luke walks up to him. He was winded.

RAISING XWING - YouTube

Ya, I just saw it as him being old. The acrobatics he did in the PT were ridiculous.

SSgt Burton said:

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I always thought he was tired, ever since I saw ESB in 1980.

I always took it as some foreshadowing that he was getting "up there" in his years. He's not the young... (what the heck IS his species again?)... Yoda he used to be.

I mean he croaked in the next film. That was a year later right?


Kevin

This is what I always thought too.

Yoda didn't need the walking stick, it was his high fashion pimp cane...

I never thought he was winded or tired in that scene. I always took it as Yoda looking at Luke in disappointment because he was their last hope and he was kinda pointless.

Flagg said:

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I always took it as Yoda looking at Luke in disappointment because he was their last hope and he was kinda pointless.

Definitely, he was disappointed in Luke. I just see the two themes together in that scene.

Flagg said:

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Yoda didn't need the walking stick, it was his high fashion pimp cane... .

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

Perhaps he was simply constipated. Dude lives in a swamp, has a hard time finding fiber and such.

Definitely winded, no question. Then, I chalk that up to just another inconsistency in a long, long, long list of continuity errors in the SW universe. That would make for an interesting thread.

I can buy that he was old, but I never thought he was tired. Jedi aren't that big of a deal if they tire out using the Force to lift something as small as an X-Wing!

Sluis Van Shipyards said:

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I can buy that he was old, but I never thought he was tired. Jedi aren't that big of a deal if they tire out using the Force to lift something as small as an X-Wing!

B ut this brings up the differences in Jedi between the OT and PT. It's not till the PT that we see Jedi as supermen. ylou don't see Saber battles with constant use of the force, you see some moves with force power added, but not the one handed, spinning wheel of death moves that Yoda breaks out in the PT. Although Yoda WAS able to move the X-Wing, it wasn't easy for him. Luke did ALMOST move the X-Wing, and the effort did wind him, in the OT, the more you used the force, there was an effort.

I took Yoda's "size doesn't matter" lesson to mean that you can do it, but it does take an effort on the person. You're ability to use the force doesn't mean there is no physocal toll on the person. you don't need to be a roid king to lift bigger things, you needed to use more force.

I think putting up with Luke took so much out of him on top of his age that the X-Wing was heavier than if Luke hadn't been there.

Doesn't watching The Emperor in ep. 3 pretty much settle the question that there is a real, physical toll to be paid by using The Force in extreme, exotic ways?

Plus...900 years? Of course he was tired.

reaper63 said:

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B ut this brings up the differences in Jedi between the OT and PT. It's not till the PT that we see Jedi as supermen. ylou don't see Saber battles with constant use of the force, you see some moves with force power added, but not the one handed, spinning wheel of death moves that Yoda breaks out in the PT. Although Yoda WAS able to move the X-Wing, it wasn't easy for him. Luke did ALMOST move the X-Wing, and the effort did wind him, in the OT, the more you used the force, there was an effort.

I took Yoda's "size doesn't matter" lesson to mean that you can do it, but it does take an effort on the person. You're ability to use the force doesn't mean there is no physocal toll on the person. you don't need to be a roid king to lift bigger things, you needed to use more force.

You and I watched the same film. THANK YOU.

I prefer OT Jedi. Is it reasonable to think that in the PT they should be a bit more powerful? Yep. They're not superheros though. Building them up as such made order 66 that much more laughable.

If the mass of an object doesn't matter, why didn't Ben just tell Luke to crash the Death Star into the planet it was moving around using the Force?

Kerr Avon said:

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If the mass of an object doesn't matter, why didn't Ben just tell Luke to crash the Death Star into the planet it was moving around using the Force?

You mean the ANH Death Star battle, which obviously takes place before ESB, where Luke thinks moving something significantly smaller than a Death Star, is impossible?

KhalDrogo said:

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You mean the ANH Death Star battle, which obviously takes place before ESB, where Luke thinks moving something significantly smaller than a Death Star, is impossible?

Then when he's a Jedi Knight in ROTJ, whatever. The Rebels killed all life on Endor anyway since all that mass of debris is going to fall into the nearest gravitational body.

****ing newb.

Kerr Avon said:

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Then when he's a Jedi Knight in ROTJ, whatever. The Rebels killed all life on Endor anyway since all that mass of debris is going to fall into the nearest gravitational body.

****ing newb.

At least the debris waited until after their party.