what's with all these PG 13 movies?

Why does everything have to be PG 13 these days? THe guy who made Terminator salvation admitted he did it so kids could see it (pretty much admitting it was to make more cash). Is that the reason? Terminator movies shouldn't be pg 13. Now the new Wallstreet is PG 13, i mean how many kids are going to want to go see that? Most of their parents weren't even old enough to see the first one when it came out. Personally i think the studios are doing it because kids are the only ones willing to really spend 20.00 on a ticket anymore. I used to catch the 3.00 movies but the stuff out now doesn't even make me want to pay that much.

It's all about the money. The only thing I can think about Wall Street is to the young girls can go see Shia.

True. I think that's the only reason he gets work lol. I think Hollywood's hit a new low point.

I'm pretty sure money is the ONLY reason for this, especially in the case of films that should always have been rated R per director's intent. It's usually the studios that push for the PG-13 rating. Hence the large number of "director's cuts" we've been seeing, most of which are decidedly better than their theatrical counterparts.

It's all about the green, R is a ticket sale dampener for sure. It seems most of the PG-13 flicks get an unrated or "extreme" version when released on disc so you can get the edited two minutes of nudity, "f" bombs or bodies turned to vapor you wanted in the first place. It does seem a bit hypocritical but it makes tons of economic sense. I would bet the unrated versions outsell the PG-13 versions because when I want to buy the PG-13 versions they usually have a ton of the "extreme' versions and few if any of the theatrical release on display.

Personally I'd like to see more straight "adult friendly" PG and G movies mixed in so I can take my kids (8 & 3.5) to to the movies more often and watch more titles on our home theater.

Doug

I was thinking of R when I saw this title, when I took the family to see Toy Story 3 at a Movie Tavern, it was literally one of the few non R films that were there...

Alot of the time the only versions of movies i see in stores are the unrated versions. I always get them because they usually have the director's commentary on them plus if its something by the Zucker brothers (Airplane and such) i guarantee the good stuff is back on there lol.

cobalt crimson said:

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Why does everything have to be PG 13 these days? THe guy who made Terminator salvation admitted he did it so kids could see it (pretty much admitting it was to make more cash). Is that the reason? Terminator movies shouldn't be pg 13. Now the new Wallstreet is PG 13, i mean how many kids are going to want to go see that? Most of their parents weren't even old enough to see the first one when it came out. Personally i think the studios are doing it because kids are the only ones willing to really spend 20.00 on a ticket anymore. I used to catch the 3.00 movies but the stuff out now doesn't even make me want to pay that much.

$20? You're living in the wrong part of the country

Here it's under 10. For $12-13 we get 3D Imax.

I'm bothered less by PG13 than the fact that Shia LeBouf seems to have a deal to be in every freaking movie made anymore.

wannab said:

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It's all about the green

Actually a large percentage is about the money but there is local community standards and ordinances that come into play as well... It's all tied to money but just the same...

Here is a perfect recent example

Australia Bans R-Rated Movies Without Banning Them

Also depending on community standards R rated movies can be a hassle for the theater, the last theater my my was a projectionist at before she retired was in a 'ritzy' area, the town past an ordinance that they had to card EVERYONE purchasing an R rated movie ticket just like they were purchasing alcohol or cigs, no ID no admittance... I'm sure it's not the only theater that has had community standards imposed upon it making R taboo...

Yeah it all boils down to money in the end, it's the same reason you don't see many (non-porn) X rated movies...

Interesting to look over the list here X rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and see what movies were originally given an X and knocked down to R, the same thing is happening now with R being knocked down to NC-17 or PG-13... Just imagine if all original Friday the 13ths, Scarface, RoboCop, and Total Recall had all been released with their original X rating, it would have been disastrous for them...

if you are 7 and play with terminator toys, you want to see the movie. if its r rated, and your parents wont let you see that kind of movie, you cant go, and you wont buy any more terminator toys.

its also about merchandising.

I have seen many good movies that were rated R simply because of gratuitious use of language, or an over the top sex scene. I'm actually going to take the flip side and ask why do you guys need movies to be rated R? Does it make y'all feel all grown up and stuff? This is not a slam. I'm just surprised to see a criticism of PG13 movies arise; I have found many PG-13 movies to rely more on the strengths of the story than cheap gimmicks to titillate a crowd clamoring for R-rated material.

I've tried to watch certain shows, I think it was "Deadwood" on HBO to name one particular example, but the over-the-top gratuitious swearing just turned me off on the whole thing. What's the point? I'm not against swearing in general, but it just seemed so excessive that it was like a teenager masturbating just because they could.

I personally don't like the US/MPAA rating system, it's too simplistic. I don't know what I would suggest as an alternative, but I do know that I've seen extremely well-done movies that happen to be rated R because an F-bomb was dropped one too many times, or there was a violent sex scene, but that the rest of the movie was otherwise just fine.

Too much emphasis on the ratings system affects the movies that come out. Excessive edits, or gratuitious shots. The bar swings both ways.

exoray said:

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Actually a large percentage is about the money but there is local community standards and ordinances that come into play as well... It's all tied to money but just the same...

Here is a perfect recent example

Australia Bans R-Rated Movies Without Banning Them

Also depending on community standards R rated movies can be a hassle for the theater, the last theater my my was a projectionist at before she retired was in a 'ritzy' area, the town past an ordinance that they had to card EVERYONE purchasing an R rated movie ticket just like they were purchasing alcohol or cigs, no ID no admittance... I'm sure it's not the only theater that has had community standards imposed upon it making R taboo...

Yeah it all boils down to money in the end, it's the same reason you don't see many (non-porn) X rated movies...

Interesting to look over the list here X rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and see what movies were originally given an X and knocked down to R, the same thing is happening now with R being knocked down to NC-17 or PG-13... Just imagine if all original Friday the 13ths, Scarface, RoboCop, and Total Recall had all been released with their original X rating, it would have been disastrous for them...

Which equates to more behinds in seats for PG 13 and more green.

Doug

themanwoaname said:

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if you are 7 and play with terminator toys, you want to see the movie. if its r rated, and your parents wont let you see that kind of movie, you cant go, and you wont buy any more terminator toys.

its also about merchandising.

Yep, green.


Doug

Simple.

R rated movies used to substitute for softcore porn.

Now hardcore porn is available on your home screen for free.

The market is gone.

Yep, PG13 is the new R.

I really hate those phrases.

30 is the new 40, 40 is the new 50.

Bull****!!! 30 is 30, 40 is 40.

Deal with it.

micdavis said:

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I really hate those phrases.

30 is the new 40, 40 is the new 50.

Bull****!!! 30 is 30, 40 is 40.

Deal with it.

100 years ago, 50 was the new departed. Currently, people are living into their 80s and 90s.



Back on topic: all movies, including XXX, are available to kids. But to make adults think they have a say in it, they label them as "Parental Guidance"

I know the one theater here refused to show anything over PG13 because it had a deal with the local PTA but that went down hill when the kids turned into thugs and the cops had to sit in the parking lot so now they're back to showing R movies. Shia works cheap i think so that's why he is in everything.

wannab said:

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Which equates to more behinds in seats for PG 13 and more green.

Yeah it's a business, from the first roll of film the idea is to usually make money... So in the end every thing they do is for green...

But, a PG-13 doesn't mean more people will go to see it necessarily, it might open more doors at more venues for certain types of movies, and for those movies it might turn more green... But it's not an optimum profit rating in itself... NC-17 and R have their appeal and revenue perks as well, lots of movies add language or skin to get bumped to the higher rating opposite of others editing down...

whats the deal with wall street 2 a pg 13 movie? was the first one a r.
its a movie about money on wall street, was douglas cursing and droppin f bombs like he was a rapper.

wannab said:

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Personally I'd like to see more straight "adult friendly" PG and G movies mixed in so I can take my kids (8 & 3.5) to to the movies more often and watch more titles on our home theater.
Doug

I would have to agree...plus PG-13 makes more money than R films. But I can tell you this I have gone to quite a few PG-13 films that I was surprised it wasn't rated R.

Tron Legacy PG-13.... Why? Are people getting zapped into digital bits more graphic than seeing people jumping on decapitated heads floating in a river?

Cripes, I miss the solid PG like crazy. Why do we have to caution movie goers about Tron? I loved watching that movie as a kid and I still love how tame it is compared to other movies these days.

ARES GW said:

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I would have to agree...plus PG-13 makes more money than R films. But I can tell you this I have gone to quite a few PG-13 films that I was surprised it wasn't rated R.

Which is funny cause like was mention Tron Legacy and other non-graphic movies get pg 13s along with movies that very nearly have nudity and pretty graphic violence. Do kids movies even get a G anymore or is it all PG? This is what happens when you let brain dead parents with too much time on their hands want to keep their kids in a bubble.
They over react and decide that everyone's kids need to be insulated under layers and layers of warning labels. I think i was listening to the commentary on one of the scary movie movies and the Abrams brothers said that you couldn't make a joke that adults would get but kids wouldn't but it was okay to put in one f-bomb per movie. I"m pretty sure if i was 13 my parents would rather the joke than the f-bomb.
Then again kids these days are about 300 times more advanced than i was at 13.

I am gearing up for hatchet II.It is having an Unrated release near me!

cobalt crimson said:

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Then again kids these days are about 300 times more advanced than i was at 13.

I think that is sad to say. Kids are made to grow up too fast these days. Before I take my son to a movie I check the reviews and see why its rated what its rated. I will be the one deciding what my son sees not Hollywood or any other Rating association.