Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

RougeAvenger81 said:
I'll go as far as saying, let JJ keep Khan to try and play to the fans. Just not the same way. John Harrison, stays John, a revived superhuman from the past. Trying to awaken the rest of his crew and "leader". Don't even say Khan in the film. Just hints. story plays out the same with leaving out the reactor scene and death of Kirk. Too soon, too much of a duplicate. End the movie with a killer space battle involving the enterprise, that ridiculously large ship and a bad a## Klingon war bird since they involved them earlier in the film and also opens up things with the Klingons for later films. End it the same, Harrison goes back into cryosleep, you pan the camera to see a CGI version of Khan in another cryotube. The ship carrying them is sent to warp into deep space, and you get the faintest glimps of the name, USS Botany Bay on the side. The end, plot holes filled, fan base still intact and the previous lore is still open in the new alti-vers.
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That would almost work except that it still mucks with the original timeline in that Khan set off in the Botany Bay well before the supposed split in the time lines. Kahn was supposed to have taken off for space in the Botany Bay some time in the 21st or was it 22nd century, long before the Federation & Starfleet were born and might also pre-date first contact with the Vulcans as well.
 
Riceball said:
Kahn was supposed to have taken off for space in the Botany Bay some time in the 21st or was it 22nd century
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Actually it was the 20th Century.

Khan: Do you mean, he never told you the tale? To amuse your Captain. No? Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay lost in space from the year 1996, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze.
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Don't worry. Ron D. Moore made the same mistake when he wrote in Deep Space Nine that Khan was created 200 years prior to the events of DS9.
 
Jeyl said:
Actually it was the 20th Century.



Don't worry. Ron D. Moore made the same mistake when he wrote in Deep Space Nine that Khan was created 200 years prior to the events of DS9.
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I stand corrected, I thought that it was the 20th century but I wasn't certain so I said 21st thinking that I was wrong about it being the 20th century. Regardless my point still stands, the events leading up to Space Seed took place way before Kirk was born, before there was even a Federation or Starfleet.

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Riceball said:
That would almost work except that it still mucks with the original timeline in that Khan set off in the Botany Bay well before the supposed split in the time lines. Kahn was supposed to have taken off for space in the Botany Bay some time in the 21st or was it 22nd century, long before the Federation & Starfleet were born and might also pre-date first contact with the Vulcans as well.
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Simple fix. "Alternate Reality" HAHA That's their catch all right? You could have fixed that though with the admiral found them and the Botany Bay instead of Kirk, then re-released them into deep space in it again in hopes to hide his mistake of awakening one of the crew. explainable/fixable, to a point as long as you accept there are going to be differences due to the alternate time line.
 
Bryancd said:
Curious, why are we entitled to deleted scenes? Because other DVD releases offer them doesn't make them mandatory.
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Maybe some movie goers are happy with the idea that when a studio plans to include bonus features onto a release, the release will be given the best possible treatment. It's nothing about entitlement, it's all about what makes this release attractive. So far, everything involving the Special Features to Star Trek Into Darkness has been so spread out and divided amongst various methods of distribution that it's become a "pick and choose" market of confusion.

  • Want the commentary? Get the iTunes version.
  • Want the deleted scenes? Get the XboX version.
  • Want to learn more about Spock's scenes and the space jump? Get the Target edition.
  • Want to see what went into the making of the Vengeance? Get the Best Buy version.
  • Want a replica of the phaser? Get the amazon exclusive.
  • Want the version that comes with a steel book? Get the Walmart edition.
    *Btw, not all of these versions are the 3D version so you'll have to spend more money for that one too

Now compare that to the two-disc release of the last film. We get a commentary track, deleted scenes, a lot of features that cover all aspects of the production all packaged in a set that everyone can get anywhere. That release put the movie and it's paying customers first. This release does the exact opposite. So don't be too surprised Bryancd that someone expresses disappointment in having to shell out even more money for something that the studios were kind enough to include in the last release, plus a lot more.
 
That's fine, they are more then welcome to express their displeasure at their discretion and if they want that to mean something, don't buy and spupport the DVD or online release. That's another choice they can avail themselves to. But buying a DVD doesn't have to include things it may have previously and no one is entitled to that content.
 
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Bryancd said:
But buying a movie ticket or a DVD doesn't have to include things it may have previously and no one is entitled to that content.
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This isn't about what we're entitled to. It's about how we as movie goers and collectors do not approve of this kind of marketing practice. if it was a matter of "We couldn't include everything because of disc space" or "The rights to the footage got gobbled up after the film's release", I would understand their exclusion. But this isn't one of those issues. They do have the material, they do have the rights, they do have the disc space and they do have fans who would love to see all of them in one package. They're just not going to do it that way because they're more interested in getting fans to buy the same exact product again only with a few differences. Not even the 3D version comes with any extras that were retailer exclusive, so you end up in a situation where if you want the 3D and the bonus disc content, you have to buy the set twice and pick which retailer exclusive disc you want since both retailers have different exclusives.

Now compare that to a recent release like... The World's End. Here are the bonus features for the "standard" BluRay release.

  • Feature Commentary: Writer/director Edgar Wright and co-writer Simon Pegg serve up the first of three, count 'em three audio commentaries, and it's an entertaining opener. Naturally the pair focus on the story, characters and comedy, but that doesn't stop either one from chasing tangents and a few good laughs.
  • Technical Commentary: Next up is Wright and director of photography Bill Pope, who deliver a technical track that dissects the look of the film, its cinematography and effects, and other aspects of the shoot as seen from behind the camera. It's a solid commentary; not as funny as its sister tracks but informative and, despite its drier bits, quite engaging.
  • Cast Commentary: Pegg returns with co-stars Nick Frost and Paddy Considine for a laugh-out-loud third commentary, although it isn't nearly as extensive as its predecessors, which strike a better balance between production detail and humor.
  • U-Control Storyboard PiP (HD): View The World's End storyboards alongside the final cut of the film. It's not a full Picture-in-Picture suite per se, but with so many special features on tap, it hardly matters.
  • Completing the Golden Mile: The Making of The World's End (HD, 48 minutes): This high definition Blu-ray exclusive documentary is a must-see, inching through the film and hitting on virtually every aspect of the production. There's some overlap with Wright and Pegg's feature commentary, but not enough to make either extra redundant in the least.
  • Filling in the Blanks: The Stunts and FX of The World's End (HD, 28 minutes): Delve into the film's action, stuntwork and visual effects via this secondary documentary. Pairs perfectly with "Completing the Golden Mile."
  • VFX Breakdown (HD, 9 minutes): A second visual effects featurette that covers additional ground.
  • Edgar & Simon's Flip Chart (SD, 13 minutes): Get a unique glimpse into the writing of the screenplay.
  • Director at Work (SD, 3 minutes): Wright is thrust into the spotlight by key members of the cast and crew.
  • Pegg + Frost = Fried Gold (SD, 3 minutes): Pegg and Frost receive the same treatment.
  • Friends Reunited (SD, 4 minutes): A truncated EPK with bits culled from "Completing the Golden Mile."
  • Three Flavours Cornetto Trilogy (SD, 5 minutes): The tasty trilogy treat in all its glory.
  • Animatics (SD, 11 minutes): Animatics for two scenes.
  • Hair and Make-Up Tests (SD, 4 minutes): Early tests with the actors.
  • Rehearsal Footage (SD, 6 minutes): Pre-shoot rehearsals with the cast.
  • Stunt Tapes (SD, 9 minutes): An overview of three different stunt-heavy sequences.
  • There's Only One Gary King: Osymyso's Inibri-8 Megamix (HD, 5 minutes): Music remix montage.
  • Signs & Omens (HD, 8 minutes): The film's easter eggs revealed!
  • Deleted Scene (SD, 1 minute): A single deleted scene, and an inconsequential one at that.
  • Outtakes (SD, 11 minutes): Funny, but standard gag reel stuff.
  • Alternate Edits (SD, 5 minutes): A series of alternate takes.
  • Bits and Pieces (SD, 3 minutes): More alternate takes and shots.
  • Trailers & TV Spots (HD/SD, 7 minutes): Three trailers presented in HD and three TV promos in SD.
  • TV Safe Version (SD, 4 minutes): Four minutes of the film edited for all-ages access (and further laughs).
  • Galleries (HD): Photographs, concept art, animatronics, prosthetics, theatrical posters and pub signs.
  • Trivia Track (HD): Not enough, you say? Alright then. How about yet another way to watch the film? This time with a pop-up trivia track featuring every last nugget of info that doesn't have a home elsewhere on the disc?

Now that is a nice batch of features. We're not entitled to any of this, but that's not the point. The point is that the film makers and the studio actually gave a crap about wanting to give the fans and movie goers something to enjoy in one package. The World's End feels like everyone involved really cares about their work and wants to share with anyone who buys the BluRay set the ability to see what it was like in making it. With Star Trek Into Darkness, there is no such vibe.
 
Bryancd said:
As I said, then don't financially support the release.
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It takes a bit more than that Bryancd. It's also about getting the message across regarding why I didn't financially support the release. You think if everyone didn't buy Star Trek Into Darkness on BluRay because of how it was scattered across all the retailers that the studio is going to say "Huh, that marketing plan didn't work"? No. They're going to be like you and say "Well, I guess that means tangible mediums are officially dead since no one is buying them anymore. People clearly aren't interested and the numbers don't lie". That is not the message I want to send. I WANT to buy these BluRays and I want to support the tangible mediums. They just have to be worth buying like the last movie was.
 
Untrue as they also closely watch digital purchases and rentals. So not buying physical media would have been heard loud and clear. The reality is that there is a broad swath of consumers who just want the movie and the extra content is meaningless. Certainly not us, I love that stuff as much as you do, but I am also considered enough to appreciate that studios catering to our market may not be cost effective , this case in point.
 
For once I agree with Jeyl, this release method is asinine at best but unfortunately I think it will work for Paramount because no matter what they'll sell Blu-Rays. The casual movie buyer will buy one version or another and the die-hard fan/collector will buy multiple versions. The question is whether they'll sell enough to offset the cost of printing multiple versions of the movie as well as the distribution of each version to the appropriate vendor.
 
Riceball said:
For once I agree with Jeyl, this release method is asinine at best but unfortunately I think it will work for Paramount because no matter what they'll sell Blu-Rays. The casual movie buyer will buy one version or another and the die-hard fan/collector will buy multiple versions. The question is whether they'll sell enough to offset the cost of printing multiple versions of the movie as well as the distribution of each version to the appropriate vendor.
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Actually you are agreeing with me. I would have loved to have all the bells and whistles but I see the economic direction these releases are going and appreciate I am not always entitled to things I used to get for free (or included).
 
There's also the licensing side of this for exclusive releases. When you do a specific release for each retailer (including online retailers like Xbox in this case), that means a specific license agreement with EACH retailer, which nets you more cash. They get the benefit of having attractive features to offer their customer base, you get the benefit of additional cash for giving them the exclusive right to sell a toy Phaser or mini starship or deleted scenes with this or that version. And maybe you get the hardcore fans who collect all of them, which is just gravy on top of this.

I'd expect that there's far more money in the licensing deals than there is in the handful of fans who buy multiple versions.
 
Holy crap, I didn't want to start a new thread just for this, but one of those deleted scenes features a really NICE version of the TOS ENTERPRISE design!

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If they had used that design for the JJ Prise I would have been completely behind it! :D


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Not to fuel the flames, but 'The Worlds End' is not going to sell like the current Star Trek, so including all of those bonuses is there to sweeten the deal.

I love bonus features like the next person, but Star Trek films sell with or without the extras.
 
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