ghostryder
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Now we need a Prometheus sub-forum AND a Ghostbusters 3 one...
Prometheus (Post-release)
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Now we need a Prometheus sub-forum AND a Ghostbusters 3 one...
Mr Webber
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Id bet the farm on him having dark hair, will try and find some confirming pics.No worries Art:thumbsup
CB2001
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I found this on the IMDb Trivia section for the Prometheus page: Logan Marshall-Green described his role of Charlie Holloway as "an ESPN X-Games scientist" who leaps before he looks.
Apparently, it's true.
Like I said, I've only seen the film once and I could very well be wrong.
Mr Webber
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Im assuming his outfit, also very Lawrence like in design is Weyland Corp supplied so i question if it is Davids decision to adopt the Lawrence like aspects of his persona or was it programmed deliberately. Anyone with any insights into the Lawrence character? would like to know Weylands motivations, always underlining corporate intrigue with SRS.
Im assuming his outfit, also very Lawrence like in design is Weyland Corp supplied so i question if it is Davids decision to adopt the Lawrence like aspects of his persona or was it programmed deliberately. Anyone with any insights into the Lawrence character? would like to know Weylands motivations, always underlining corporate intrigue with SRS.
CB2001
Master Member
Well, for what I know from what I've looked around at related material, Weyland mentions Lawerence of Arabia in his keynote at TED (seen here). I sort of gathered that the movie was his favorite, especially since David 8 is modeled lightly after his maker (much like how Bishop is modeled after his creator), which suggests that David 8 and Weyland share a lot of common likes (and since David 8 sort of strives to blend in, it makes sense that he would see Lawerence in the film as a potential role model to emulate, especially when every other human being on board at the time was asleep).
I don't know how trust worthy that picture is. In the film, his suit is a light gray, but that picture makes it look more like a very dark gray/black.
Noeland
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Introducing the David 8 - The Next Generation Weyland Robot - YouTube
In this it looks to me like he has darker roots. I was under the impression that he just dyed his roots as well, and honestly that was one of the parts of the film where I wondered why in the hell there would be hair dye on a space faring vessel.
In this it looks to me like he has darker roots. I was under the impression that he just dyed his roots as well, and honestly that was one of the parts of the film where I wondered why in the hell there would be hair dye on a space faring vessel.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
How come the Engineers, who share 100% of our DNA and need their own environmental suits to survive LV-223's toxic air, can now walk outside in a toxic environment without them? It's like this one engineer doesn't know how breathing works. One moment he needs to wear an environmental suit in an area that is breathable, and after his ship crashes, he just walks outside without a suit and manages to make it all the way to the life raft.
Kit Rae
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A normal human could survive about two minutes with those Co2 levels. Being much larger than a human, safe to say he could go much longer with a larger lung capacity. But, he also had a biomechanoid skin. I don't think that was clothing he was wearing. It was integrated into his flesh, unlike the Engineer we see on promoridial Earth, who had normal skin.
Kit Rae
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He did have darker roots. They showed a scene of him dying his roots, followed by another of his roots dark again, then him dying the roots again.
In other words, he has real, growing hair, so he had to keep dying it to keep the hair color of Peter O'Toole's hair.
Mr Webber
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Those are some long roots. Goes from that in the rec room to this in front of the mirror. Its even presented as a reveal. Going to the 3D Imax again so will pay extra attention.
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Those are some long roots. Goes from that in the rec room to this in front of the mirror. Its even presented as a reveal. Going to the 3D Imax again so will pay extra attention.
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cyberpred
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Honestly People,,
I have been reading all the comments. I really feel the RPF could have made a superior film to this POS.
If the writers and filmakers poised the ideas and questions about the environment and characters as you guys and gals are it would have been the movie to live up to the hype.
Unfortunately it was not. I go to the movies to watch a story unfold in the short time I am there. If I have to explain what I think the characters are. Or what may be happening it is poor story telling.
Then if I have to try to make sense of what a character does because it is so disjointed. Well you get it.
My wife is a real SCI FI fan and she fell asleep.
Some of you say it is scifi . A real good story etc is Enemy Mine. That to me is real story telling. Character development etc.
Prometheus I did not get to know or care about any of the characters.
By the way it has nothing to do with this being a Alien sequel. I too went to this with no expectations. Did not have any idea what this is about.
I guess I got what I wanted. I still have no idea.
Cary
I have been reading all the comments. I really feel the RPF could have made a superior film to this POS.
If the writers and filmakers poised the ideas and questions about the environment and characters as you guys and gals are it would have been the movie to live up to the hype.
Unfortunately it was not. I go to the movies to watch a story unfold in the short time I am there. If I have to explain what I think the characters are. Or what may be happening it is poor story telling.
Then if I have to try to make sense of what a character does because it is so disjointed. Well you get it.
My wife is a real SCI FI fan and she fell asleep.
Some of you say it is scifi . A real good story etc is Enemy Mine. That to me is real story telling. Character development etc.
Prometheus I did not get to know or care about any of the characters.
By the way it has nothing to do with this being a Alien sequel. I too went to this with no expectations. Did not have any idea what this is about.
I guess I got what I wanted. I still have no idea.
Cary
Kit Rae
Sr Member
In modern times, all he would need are Hydrogen Peroxide and Ammonia. I assume those supplies would be found in his lab, but this being 70-80 years in the future, he possibly had advances on the ship to create simple custom compounds.
blipper
Sr Member
Those are all an example of going back and seeing what could be considered a flaw or problem rather the many examples in Prometheus which actually distract the flow of the movie with a great big "Huh?????" for a great many people, on their first and subsequent viewings.
Seriously - you'll need to do much better than that to come up against the elementary level head-slappers in Prometheus that under the control of a seasoned pro like Scott just should not have happened.
You say Alien and Blade Runner have 'plenty of mistakes' and are 'full of stinkers' and I can't help thinking you're a bit disingenuous in attempting to retro-fit the same level of problems with those movies as many find with Prometheus. The examples you list have only ever been points of interest that came about after decades of happy watching and discussion, I don't recall any of those examples as being clunkers that dominated and coloured overall and initial discussions, and I certainly think you're over-egging the definitions of 'flaw' and 'stinker' with the examples you give. There really is no comparison.
At this point Kit, it could be viewed that you're unequivocal support for Prometheus being a classic in the making appears to stem more from you wanting it to be a classic rather than it actually deserving to be one?
Some interesting snippets from reviews.
“It is depressing to watch an expensive, crafty movie that never soars beyond its cold desire to score the big bucks.”
"empty bag of tricks whose production values and expensive trickery cannot disguise imaginative poverty"
"There is very little involvement with the characters themselves ... A generally good cast in cardboard roles."
"Still, a lot of people are going to resent being put through the mill for a silly movie. And in a way, I agree with them. If only it were as sophisticated as it looks. I'm getting a little tired of movies that honor genre conventions with such humility that they're unwilling to expand upon them. Couldn't the film have stretched a little? Couldn't it have explored the psychology of its characters or maybe nosed into their relationships? The worst of it is that the film keeps falling back on the hoariest monster-movie cliches, for no apparent reason other than to do them homage."
"Has the usual number of inconsistencies, improbabilities and outright absurdities characteristic of the sci-fi and horror genres. What is interesting, though, is its hostile critical reception, despite the excellent visual values, direction that is no more hokey than usual in such films, dialogue that (when it is decipherable) is par for the course."
"The price paid for the excitement, and it's a small one, is that there is very little involvement with the characters themselves"
"Forget Plot and characters, nuance and social signifiicance; these sci-fi movies overwhelm you with production values alone -- sets, props, lighting and photography: the spectacle of the fanciful turned convincing"
“There’s nothing terribly complex or original about the movie, but it is distinguished by its clever and innovative use of B-movie staples in a hi-tech setting.”
"Though it is not the seminal science-fiction film one wants from him, it's executed with a good deal of no-nonsense verve. The members of the cast... the roles might have been written by a computer.
"It does not sound like anything new...voracious alien who is defeated at last moment...Script has more loose ends than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
"In outline, this tale....sounds just plain silly, and the story line here is no more sophisticated than dozens of Star Trek and Outer Limits TV shows."
"Skulking about in space suits that a 19th-century futurist might have dreamed up --chivalric armor topped by a Jules Verne bubble"
"sets and special effects are well done, but these things no longer surprise or tantalize us as they once did"
"What is missing is wit, imagination and the vaguest hint of human feeling. Luckily for the creators, such ingredients are not really essential at the nation's box offices, especially during the sunstroke season."
"An overblown B-movie... technically impressive but awfully portentous and as difficult to sit through as a Black Mass sung in Latin"
"(the film) is an extremely small, rather decent movie of its modest kind, set inside a large, extremely fancy physical production. Don't race to it expecting wit or metaphysical pretentions"
"Since the movie's generally good actors all play equally bland technicians, it is hard to make an emotional investment...Indeed, the film's characters are so lifeless that one begins to wonder whether they might not be parodies of space-age bureaucrats. If so, the satire is far too flat to be its own reward."
"you wonder if the director's lost his mind"
Those are all for the original Alien, by the way
The point you're making here is kind of a straw man; are you suggesting a bad review means a movie is automatically good?
Who here depends or derives their opinion from critics anyway?
Does Ridley Scott get an automatic 'classic' pass on any sci-fi movie just because his early two-entries were poorly received by the 'establishment' and now regarded as classics?
Does this mean we should all keep quiet with criticism about Lucas, Spielberg or Carpenter's recent movies too?
The difference this time round is that people are ready for the quality of cinema Scott has shown he can deliver - the problem is that Prometheus simply doesn't have the same attention to quality.
Where Alien and Blade Runner spawned cliches, Prometheus unashamedly embraces them - and for many people that is the disappointment.
So why the suit in the cockpit when it was already a breathable room?
Mr Webber
Master Member
Long bow to draw i know but he might have just taken it on board......with him.
Getting back to my original question, is his Lawrence of Arabia thing his own creation or is it Weylands? I like to know his motivations as i think he drives the whole thing, he is after all the Big Bang of this Alien universe. His actions initiated many years later the Nostromo being diverted to Archeron.
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