I did not understand the meaning of the opening scene ...
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I did not understand the meaning of the opening scene ...
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Edit: Something weird happened with my post causing half of the content to be missing, including the ending spoiler tag. Sorry about that.
Last edited by Darth Lars; Jun 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM.
Darth Lars said:
Check out Too Much Garlic's last post on page 3, If you cant get the jist from that, then I dont know
HTH
Well, there's talk that this is the first of a trilogy so I guess a jar jar had to be mentioned at somepoint.
Huge,huge spoilers!!!! Possibly?
In answer to your question (and these aren't written down for me) my emotional response, having watched the film, is that I haven't a damn clue. The inference is that he destroyed his body to release his cellular DNA into Earths seas to start all life here. But as that was supposed to be billions of years ago I can't quite see it.Its a longtime for the others to be doing nothing I guess. Cup of Grue anyone?
The other possiblity is that his broken down DNA recombines with the simple single celled creatures all ready here to make a more complex multicellular form of life that eventually gave rise to us. But again, once you've "destroy" a chain of DNA as you see in the film it doesn't recombine nor pass on its structural information, it just becomes a mess of disassociated bases. What you saw here was a very bad interpretation of basic biology that made no sense at all.
Given the film title I would guess that as he appears to be abandoned on the Earth by the flying saucer, he did something very bad indeed and was being punished. That he ultimately chooses to sacrifice himself to kick start life again so the final result is that our species is created (and remember here its human beings that have end up looking like mini-me engineer replicas gone wrong, which may account for why the other had a negative reaction when it saw us) that may link it to the myth eventually but its a stretch. Arguably its what happens at the very end of the film that is more like the Prometheus story. But its all a huge muddle.This is typical Lindelof. It may have worked for a while in an episodic TV series like LOST but eventually people got very fed up with it.
And thats what happened time and again throughout the film. For a "thought provoking epic sci fi movie" I couldn't pick up any consistent thread in the story which explained what it all was supposed to be about, no comfortable structure to link it all together. And the longer that went on the more frustrating it got. For a while after seeing it I thought Sir Ridley was deliberately trying to say "there are no answers to life just more questions" but by then I emptied the bottle and sober up in the morning.
But then basic and obvious cause and effect was continually ignored by everyone in the story anyway. The man linked to the mapping probes runs away, GETS LOST then returns to the very place he ran away from in the first place, despite everyones position being marked on the map on the Prometheus and the continual radio/ video contact to the ship. A massive storm of deadly silica dust sandblasts several crew members ,whose suits and glass helmets don't appear to have a mark or speck of dust on them afterward. I could go on and on pointing out these common sense inconsistencies that just kept jerking me out of the film because you just could not ignore them whilst trying to make sense of what was supposed to be a complicated story.
It felt so bloody amateurish right to the very last frame and I was NOT expecting that from a Ridley Scott film. He painted a great picture with all the visual and technical flair you'd expect of him but what it was about,and what it attempted to explain in the end , well thats your guess as good as mine. To vague for my tastes .Go see it again and try to decide for yourself. But perhaps thats the idea.
Last edited by CutThumb; Jun 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM.
Saw it yesterday... Well, not a great movie imho... I dont like 3D, I was very disapointed by how it was directed, the visual (the prometheus, the alien), the poor story and more...
Noomi Rapace was good though.
Right no big posts from me, i'm just back from watching it in 3D with DBOX - And i did like it, didn't love it, but yes definitely a decent movie.
Some meh moments and some yeah moments, overall and stepping back (not comparing it to Alien) it's a pretty good watch!
Incidently i thought the 3d was really good, there were a load of moments where i felt it had enhanced the overall look of the movie.
EDIT** - Slept on it and decided this morning, that it is VERY good, more i think on it, the more i liked it!
Last edited by G17RDY; Jun 3, 2012 at 4:21 AM.
The same argument could be made about the people who love it. You loved it, get over it, move along.Birdie said:
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This is the Internet, hating on something or gushing about how much you love something is half of what happens here. The other half is porn...
Just saw it again in 2D, to those going next week, seriously, skip the 3D...
Second viewing didn't really change my opinion of the movie despite the many flaws that have been pointed out being, well, mostly undeniable
I still found the mysteries set up in the movie frustrating, but fascinating. Didn't watch Lost, don't care what Lindeloff did or didn't do there.
Don't give a crap about DNA science/silicone storms (the suits were armoured, btw)/flame throwers in CO2 atmos/ the caesarian device, etc, it's sci-fi - FTL is impossible, anti-grav is impossible, dog-fighting is impossible etc, etc. Physics goes out the window in virtually every space movie ever made, even *gasp* Alien.
Observations, tho, for people who think I'm on Ridley's payroll:
Charlie (followed by everyone else) removing his helmet - stupidest thing in the movie.
Fifield and Millburn getting lost then Milburn acting like a kid at a pet store - dumb as a box of frogs.
Fifield zombie thing - who know what he sucked up, but yeah, unnecessary and badly staged - seemed to get a bit Michael Bay in the editing.
Why did Weyland conceal his prescence - he was on the edge of death (notice Vickers' 'Did anybody die' question to David after coming out of hyperspace?)
He didn't want the rest of the crew to know his true motivations, if it turned out the engineer's didn't exist, he could have died in hypersleep on the way home, with no-one on ever knowing of his none too altrustic motivations.
The 'true story' of the Engineers is perhaps known in entirety to David. We never got a translation of either the inscriptions he states he might be able to read or what he actually said to the live engineer.
I think what David was up to could be extremeley revealing in a sequel, as I think he's the key to what happened in Prometheus.
Unfortunateley I'm doubting we'll get 'part two' since the word of mouth on this is gonna sink it, imho.
Did notice how terrible and over-utilised the score was this time.
Oh, and I found the crew (the ones who had lines...) perfectly relatable and above the average fare in a 9 little indian movies. Anyone give a crap about Crowe, Wiersbowksi, Dietrich, Spunkmeyer or Ferro in Aliens?
I am aware that I'm way in the minority though, and I do think it's probaly going to flop, unless it miraculously catches on with the masses who aren't geneticists, physicists or gynacologists and accept the stupid stuff people do in horror movies...
Last edited by Birdie; Jun 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM.
Big difference is I'm attempting to discuss and analyse, not just keep repeating 'I love it'The same argument could be made about the people who love it. You loved it, get over it, move along
Analogy fail
so is this rifle in the movie or not?
just trying to figure out if noland is going to eat his shoe
Last edited by neosporing; Jun 2, 2012 at 7:19 PM.
I think you are severely underestimating the percentage of porn.tcsmit29 said:
This is the Internet, hating on something or gushing about how much you love something is half of what happens here. The other half is porn...
From what i understood the meaning behind it is to establish how our DNA evolved from sea creatures to what we are today.Darth Lars said:
Someone else also pointed out that they noticed the planet was a different LV number, if i recall in Prometheus its LV422 and we all know in Alien its LV426. LV422 is a moon of a much larger planet with rings around, it was chosen over the 2 or 3 other moons (seen in shot) orbiting the planet with rings because it resembled the most likely chance to sustain life similar to humans (as quoted in the film). In Alien LV426 had a completely different atmosphere to LV422 not to mention it was also quoted to be 40 degrees below. In Alien the Nostromo lands on LV426 which is one of 3 (could be more just 3 in shot) orbiting a ringed planet.
Most likely LV422 and LV426 are just different moons of the same planet.
neosporing said:
so is this rifle in the movie or not?
just trying to figure out if noland is going to eat his shoe
The Storm Rifle isn't in it.
Birdie said:
any potentially iconic weapon props seen at all?
I saw only flame throwers and handguns.neosporing said:
This was another silly thing about the movie: no powerful weapons.
I saw it in 3D though, so there could have been more guns that I missed in the blur ...
Last edited by Darth Lars; Jun 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM.
So I watched Alien last night, if we want to talk about characters doing dumb stupid things lets talk Kaine going in for what in the egg and Ripley going back for Jones, even though these where and are dumb moves they make the tension. For some reason the dumb moves in "Promethelost" are just dumb.
I believe Fox has sent thousands of pares of Rose tinted 3D glasses around the world to help with the viewing pleasure.
Plot lines, story and characters aside, wouldn't you agree that this is a visual feast?
Personally i loved the overall look, from the Prometheus ship, to the space suits (my favorite physical item), the engineers & engineers space suits. I would love to have my own suit and helmet, disappointed however there weren't more toys / gadgets and no real weaponry to droll over!
However, the visuals, look, the physical set dressings, costumes and props, I think are a real plus points for the movie, yes, no?
I know what you mean Guy. Its the same when Chewbacca goes Tarzan in ROTJ, noone complained back then. When Indianas son does the same in TCS, its cheesy.
Times have changed, or maybe we got old and angry, lol.
The huge flametrower thing Charlize was holding, other non weapon props which I think were great, for instance the suit's inner cap looked pretty iconic to me, also the engineers space suit and helmet.neosporing said:
any potentially iconic weapon props seen at all?
As for the movie itself, as I watched the movie in a simple way, I kind of watched it as a prequel to the first Alien movie, it made more sense to me like that, seeing the creatures as undeveloped facehuggers, chestbursters and xenomorphs and the origin of the space-jockey now better known as one of the Engineers, the invitation to the planet could be seen as a prophecy or warning I'd like to think.Also an obvious connection with the Alien movies could be made when seeing a sculpted full developed Xenomorph in the ceiling , in the room with the big head.
As for The Engineers, from what I Understand, It kind of feels like they ar scientists creating species, tempering with rules of nature, so the one in the beginning could be seen as being punished.But what I like to know is why there was only when left alife in the ship, was he the one who killed the others, was he kind of like the evil mastermind , willing to spread the galaxy with the xenomrph spores, I guess that is what the cannon is for....very facinating.
Last edited by GiovanniDekkers; Jun 3, 2012 at 5:18 AM.
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Visually it's good. I liked the design of The Prometheus ship. The Giger inspired interiors of the 'space jockey' vessels were good too. I agree, there's no memorable weaponry.
Guy Pearce was a strange choice. I like him as an actor, but he was underused in the role and the old man makeup looked awful. Maybe he should have been cast in another role, his acting chops might have brought some depth to one of the other protagonists.
My overall impression of the film is that there is the seed of brilliance, but it never grows into what it could be. I found myself waiting for a 'woooah!' moment when everything would flip on it's head and I would find myself on the edge of my seat, or mind-blown by some amazing new concept, or scared witless by the tension of a scary moment. None of those things ever came, there was no 'woooah' moment. Where the film really fails is the writing and editing. It conspicuously fails to build ANY tension. It leaves the viewer feeling confused and short-changed.
If this film wasn't set in the 'Alien' universe it would be a gigantic turkey. As it is, it is slightly redeemed by taking us back into that universe, also Ridley Scott's eye for great visuals throws us a few bones and keeps things semi-interesting.
I will watch the film again, to make sure I haven't missed the point or viewed it with a screwed perspective, but not at the cinema.
Ridley's last film, 'Robin Hood' felt equally muddled and confusing. Prometheus is a better film overall, but it still suffers some of the same cinematic ailments as it's predecessor. Ridley needs to fix that if there is any hope of a great trilogy here.
So the writer is the guy who did Lost? The series that had myriads of build-ups in small segments that never went anywhere and never lead to a satisfactory conclusion to everything that was built up? No wonder it felt so jarred and segmented in the story-telling. The guy just can't hold one thread and go with it, but weaves multiple strands that never connects and never goes anywhere.
He should sick to TV series.
Films that I've really enjoyed recently that are not over thirty years old!
The Avengers (loved that film, seen it twice!),John Carter, Rise of the Planet of the Apes ,X men First Class, Captain America, Thor, Kick Ass , District Nine, Moon, 300, Inception, Star Trek ,Avatar to name but a few. I'm not really THAT critical of them providing they tell a good tale and they are reasonably entertaining.Nearly all of cinema science fiction and fantasy is nothing more than a slice of entertaining that takes us out of reality (hence the genre names) for a while and occasionally makes you think.
BUT the important thing is that the good stories obey their own internal logic and they go somewhere and do something with it. Prometheus just didn't do that very well.For example.
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Maybe just just quit. I really loved LOST, but the last season left me completely unsatisfied. Destroyed my whole love for the show. Nothing was explained or connected, same with Prometheus.Too Much Garlic said:
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thanks for that