No, none of that was explicit in the original. That said, some of the ideas were sort of implicit in Alien, the sense of the occidental in the vast unknown, man the creator vs. man the passive host, but it was all there as subtext. Essentially, they go onto a spaceship, see a big dead alien, and haul ***** out of there. One of the brilliant things is that we don't even know if our species has had a first contact before - it's left ambiguous.Alan Castillo said:
OK, I got it right thenDave Ward said:
Thanks Dave
Long live the continuation ! Dying to know why the engineers created man then wanted to wipe them out.
I suspect (speculate) they created man in the first place to experiment their bio-weapon on him, but then realised that contact with human DNA spawns a horrific intelligent creature, whereas with the engineer's, it just killed them.
Dunno, sounds like a cool twist to me
There are some questions we might not want to hear the answer to.Alan Castillo said:
Humans create life all the time with little intentions or regard for their offspring. Some people raise and own pets for years and discard them because they are moving or with the excuse, "my boyfriend is allergic to cats..".
Imagine raising some Sea-Monkeys and waking up to find a group of them standing next to your bed asking, "Who am I? Why did you make me?"
Sheesh, I'd probably freak out and start ripping heads off too..
No worries here. It's only a movieFeraud said:
That's why I'm speculating that they created us as lab-rats
Yeah, but who's to say they haven't been working on other planets trying to create the ultimate weapon. Then they have had plenty of time to create us, since they've been doing it so long. They weren't sitting around waiting.SmilingOtter said:
We were, perhaps, the closest thing to being like them. So they saw that we were maybe to intelligent to be weapons as is. But with the black goo we'd be perfect! Then one of them accidentally got turned into Alien 1.0!And when that happened they created a creature that was good enough to destroy everyone.
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The thing is... the jockey's didn't just create man... they created ALL life on planet Earth... since everything is connected... so the major wipeouts in Earth history could be caused by jockey's to speed up evolution towards the end goal... and... we may not be the end goal. Though, they still left clues for us to follow, even if we weren't.
Love the Sea Monkeys analogy.Feraud said:
Maybe we are seeing too much with the Engineer flipping out. Remember how hornery the bong smoking geologist was when he got out of hypersleep and how it affected Shaw?
This guy gets woken up after 2000 years by a bunch of Sea Monkeys all squabbling around him,all he wants to do is park the tiger on the carpet and then the plastic one tells him that the Red Sox won the Championship a while back and the Cubs still havnt, BAM, heads start swinging at heads. The SOB carries a grudge as well, hence chasing Shaws arse down after losing his ship instead of just getting in a spare.
Probably not.
So why doesn't the DNA match every other Earth species DNA in the computer?Too Much Garlic said:
Because the writer is stupid.Jeyl said:
There's 99.something similarity in DNA between human and most simians. Meaning, an identical match could only be found if the jockeys were 100% identical. They aren't... so naturally, I'm thinking... the writer is an idiot. Or... the sample is contaminated.
Ridley Scott touched on this. The Engineers saw us being all Roman and bloodthirsty, and sent someone down to try and fix it. They nailed him up. I assume that's what Lindelof is hinting at here. It's left to our interpretation but I think that's the background idea as to why they want to wipe us out.Vivek said:
So Jesus was some semi-transparent, steroid freak? That doesn't work at all, IMO.
True, and I feel the same way about the blue-eyed, whitebread images of Jesus i see at the christian shop in town, but that's another story!crabra comander said:
I'm guessing that the engineer in question would be in some form of cloaking or otherwise transformed himself to fit in. If you go for that theory in the first place, that is.
Regarding the DNA business, is it possible the planet already had existing life when the Engineer made his contribution?
Consider the aquarium.. it contains algae, plants, whatever other types of bacteria exclusive of the fish we add to them.
That would certainly explain why humans have Engineer DNA yet there is diversity on Earth.
Existing life may also be an indicator to Engineers that the planet in question is capable of sustaining life.
There is nothing worse than doing an experiment in an environment that has a zero percent sustainability from the outset.
Lets not have real facts and science undermind this wonderful movieToo Much Garlic said:
It was and EXACT DNA match, thats why they are all 10 feet tall and we are all .... well... never mind
Feraud said:
And the black goop joins with anything to make it an organic being. Even the suit the Engineer wore became part of the Alien.
And perhaps the Engineers were disguised, but I find a cloak would be difficult to maintain while being propped up. It would be interesting to see how they would make that work.
Uh, excuse me? I have a question.
How is it that a decapitated head makes gasping noises? I thought you needed lungs for that.
This thread's so darn long, I haven't had time to read through the entire thing yet, so apologies if I'm repeating something else that's been said, that I missed!
I quite enjoyed the movie, but as a science fiction fan, there are a couple problems I had with it:
At this point, I'm waiting to see what the box office numbers do, so we can see if Fox will produce a sequel. In the meantime, I hope Scott is preparing a Director's Cut for the Blu-Ray and DVD release, so that we can get a little more expository dialogue.
- Absolutely NO explanation is given as to how humanity has managed, only 80 years from now, to build an interstellar starship that clearly has a Faster Than Light drive capable of propelling the ship at many times the speed of light, as that's the only way we could reach that distant solar system in only 2 years! Hell, the nearest star to us, Alpha Centauri, is 4 Light Years from us, so we'd have to be traveling at twice the speed of light just to reach it in only 2 years, and LV-233 is presumably much farther away from us than that! A simple 10 second-long explanation of how we managed to break the Light Speed Barrier for this expedition would go a long way. Then again, ALIEN doesn't offer any explanation for the Nostromo's FTL drive, either. But it also doesn't tell us WHEN it takes place, whereas Prometheus tells us right on-screen that the ship arrives at LV-233 in 2094 and that the crew were in hypersleep for 2 years.
- Besides borrowing heavily from Eric Von Daniken's infamous Chariots of the Gods, Prometheus' take on the Creators as genetic engineers that create bio-mechanical living weapons and suits of armor also borrows quite heavily from the long-running manga and anime series Guyver: The Bio-Boosted Armor. The whole bit about them turning on us and wanting to destroy us? Yep, right out of Guyver also.
Besides borrowing heavily from Eric Von Daniken's infamous [I said:
Except in Guyver the Aliens were dumb enough to have the technology laying around somewhere for a scientist to give to a teenager
Actually... they launched an asteroid at the Earth, which would have destroyed all life on the planet, solving the problem! But then one of their creations, the Demi-God known as Archanfel, turned out to be so powerful, he was able to deflect the asteroid away from the Earth. The Creators clearly thought they had succeeded in their plan, because they never made a return visit to make sure the planet's surface was obliterated.crabra comander said:
Except in Guyver the Aliens were dumb enough to have the technology laying around somewhere for a scientist to give to a teenager
And Sho Fukamachi wasn't given the Guyver Unit by a scientist, it LITERALLY landed at his feet after being launched through the air by an explosion! Sho found it BY ACCIDENT!
Also, the technology left behind by the Creators wasn't just "laying around", it was being experimented on by the Cronos Corporation, a company created by Archanfel himself as part of his plan to take over the world!
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OK, anime/manga version has it that way. I was thinking of the movie.
Those Engineers are great at creating bio-weapons but need to seriously revise their storage and safety procedures.
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Scott has got to be out of his mind with laughter if he reads any of the millions of speculative posts all over the web! He is saying, "YES!" I did it again!
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