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    Movie that everyone seems to like, but I did not: The Avengers. I think audiences today are so bedazzled by a frenzy of visual effects that story goes by the wayside. Avengers is a prime example with what is wrong with movies today.

    CGI is out of hand, especially in adventure movies. It IS the story, while the plots are usually weak. I mean, watching Avengers reminded me of when I was a kid when we played with our toy guns, "We're the good guys, you're the bad guys. OK, let's fight!" Avengers' plot was not much deeper than that.

    Even the coolest thing in the film––the flying aircraft carrier––was not something I hadn't seen before... anyone remember Sky Captain? If you haven't seen it, it is a helluva better movie than Avengers, and made for a fraction of the cost. That film had depth of characters, an interesting plot, and it was extremely creative and entertaining.

    The best example of a good story and a balance of CG and traditional VFX is Jurassic Park. I think it is the best example because being one of the first CG effects films, it was forced to use them sparingly, mixing them with live action animatronics. Since we as an audience were not used to seeing CG, the blend from CG to live action was undetectable, thus selling the 'living dinosaur' effects in the most successful way. JP having had that advantage, it is now something that cannot happen again because we are accustomed to the technology.

    Now, it seems, that CG is so over used in a way that it screams to us in every scene. Your mind knows to suspend reality because a CG character just made an appearance. Even with their photo-realistic renderings, it is easy to spot them. They are the ones who defy the laws of physics as they move...the ones that despite their huge size have no mass...the ones that are designed ridiculously with a cartoon character shape (unless that is called for like in a Pixar film)...or the ones that try to look like something in real life, but are larger than life just enough to make them uninteresting.

    Look at the Indiana Jones films. In the first one, there were tarantulas and snakes, the second film had large bugs, the third had rats. In every case, when I saw these in theaters, people screamed, gasped and squirmed. Why? Because everyone knew those critters were there on set with (and on) the actors. Enter Indy 4... large, man-eating ants... the audience was completely quiet and unphased. Why? Because everyone knew they were CG and not really there with the actors.

    George Lucas in the documentary From Star Wars to Jedi said that special effects are just a tool to help tell a story, that people often confuse them for being the story. He said that special effects without a story is a boring thing. He was SO right, and yet, it seems, that even HE abandoned this very important principle in his later works.

    Movies used to be about telling good stories back when VFX were limited. Now that they are limitless, they have been abused and misused by modern film makers, they have become the story, and like George once believed, movies have become a pretty boring thing.

    And that's why I didn't like The Avengers.
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    Jul 12, 2012 - Re: Movies you hate that everyone else likes #177

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    Wait... Do you mean the David Cronenberg movie or the Paul Haggis film?
    Haggis
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    Haggis
    Okay. Good to clear up. I don't see why people would dislike Cronenberg's film, unless they got the two mixed up at the video store and accidentally rented Cronenberg's while intending to watch Haggis' film.
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    Jul 12, 2012 - Re: Movies you hate that everyone else likes #179

    ringa said: View Post
    Look at the Indiana Jones films. In the first one, there were tarantulas and snakes, the second film had large bugs, the third had rats. In every case, when I saw these in theaters, people screamed, gasped and squirmed. Why? Because everyone knew those critters were there on set with (and on) the actors. Enter Indy 4... large, man-eating ants... the audience was completely quiet and unphased. Why? Because everyone knew they were CG and not really there with the actors.
    I actually though the Avengers told a pretty good story considering the backstories that were already explored in the individual films.

    As far as Indy, I would tend to think that audiences were more put off by the ridiculous monkey swinging from a few minutes earlier rather than CG ants.
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    Jul 13, 2012 - Re: Movies you hate that everyone else likes #180

    ringa said: View Post
    Movie that everyone seems to like, but I did not: The Avengers. I think audiences today are so bedazzled by a frenzy of visual effects that story goes by the wayside. Avengers is a prime example with what is wrong with movies today.
    THANK YOU. A kindred spirit!

    Although I won't go so far as to day I didn't like it I was very underwhelmed. I didn't see most of the films leading up to it and I shouldn't have to. Movies like this should be able to stand on their own and on it's own merits I thought it was pretty regular.
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    Orange_Blend said: View Post
    THANK YOU. A kindred spirit!

    Although I won't go so far as to day I didn't like it I was very underwhelmed. I didn't see most of the films leading up to it and I shouldn't have to. Movies like this should be able to stand on their own and on it's own merits I thought it was pretty regular.
    Dumbest plot element of Avengers; If you are a superior being that wants to take over the whole world, then why the most ridiculous, unintelligent battle strategy? Hey, let's drop through a hole in the sky and randomly pound New York City.

    I mean, there was no plan! You would think he would do SOMETHING intelligent strategically, maybe positioning troops around the world like in Independence Day, or employ a deception of good will until they were in place and then strike to take over multiple targets all over the world.

    How is blowing up some buildings in New York a good plan for taking over the world? On top of that they are fighting a few people that can't be hurt or killed. You say, "But wait! Look at Ironman! He is just a normal guy inside that suit!" Yes, but that normal guy would have been easily killed even inside that suit in real life had he been subjected to the kinds of forces depicted in this film. Thus, he cannot be hurt or killed because his character was written that way, thus, no real drama.

    An unacceptably juvenile battle plan against beings that cannot be defeated. I'm sorry, that's a pretty boring movie.
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    Jul 13, 2012 - Re: Movies you hate that everyone else likes #182

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    Dumbest plot element of Avengers; If you are a superior being that wants to take over the whole world, then why the most ridiculous, unintelligent battle strategy?
    That's a good question and this hypothesis might have the answer to that. That article may not change your opinion about the movie, but it provides a good reason to the shortcomings you mentioned.
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    Jul 13, 2012 - Re: Movies you hate that everyone else likes #183

    Dumbest plot element of Avengers
    There was a plot???
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    The dark Knight

    I guess also the Dark Knight rises...
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