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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #126

    Dainbramage546 said: View Post
    "We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

    We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

    Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive."

    From the Mass Effect facebook page.
    To which a few people on Twitter have replied that they "have no plans at this time to buy any more Bioware products but are listening to feedback."
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #127

    Saw a black car with a red stripe today, with red & white SHEPRD plates.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #128

    I just don't get why they wouldn't create an alternate ending other than pride...

    Those who were happy with the ending (yes, they do exist): They get to keep their ending, and/or download the alternate one and play it (and if it's good, like it better).

    Those who weren't will get their ending.

    Over 60,000 people have joined the FB group. Each game = $60 = $3,600,000 sway right there.

    Is artistic license worth over 3 million dollars?

    Call Drew up, have him write one hellova ending, get everyone together to pull it off, finish the game right and you're done. Should take no longer than 4-6 months.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #129

    Just have them adopt the indoctrination theory into it. You pick the red ending, wake up in the rubble, run in and fight an actual boss of some kind like you did in the previous two games, save the day, and depending on your actions you do or don't survive to live happily ever after. It leaves the other endings there for those who are fine with them, and can easily address the issues of those who aren't fine with them. Make it a free patch for PR reasons, then throw some other DLC later to recoup the expenses later. Everybody wins.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #130

    DuneMuadDib said: View Post
    Just have them adopt the indoctrination theory into it. You pick the red ending, wake up in the rubble, run in and fight an actual boss of some kind like you did in the previous two games, save the day, and depending on your actions you do or don't survive to live happily ever after. It leaves the other endings there for those who are fine with them, and can easily address the issues of those who aren't fine with them. Make it a free patch for PR reasons, then throw some other DLC later to recoup the expenses later. Everybody wins.
    True as well. I read some articles that Drew K. said that the ending originally had to do with Dark Energy, some sort of force that compelled the Reapers to destroy organic life every 50,000 years. It's hinted at several times (like when you recruit Tali and she talks about how their sun's advanced age had no explanation) and that the ending revolves around this, picking whether to enjoy 1000 years of bliss before Dark Energy destroys everything, or sacrificing a race to stop them...

    More explanation would be needed, but it's a cool basis.

    Why is BW sticking with their ending? It's not getting them anywhere, they're losing people left and right. When will they swallow their pride??
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #131

    Sluis Van Shipyards said: View Post
    I didn't play any MP and got a good ending. You have to have a massive amount of War Assets. I had like 7 or 8 thousand at the end. I missed a couple Citadel quests, the power grid one and the Cerberus ciphers (the guy who wanted them disappeared...).
    Nice! I manged to get only 5,600. But then again, I bricked it on Rannoch.

    Spoiler:

    I know you can get some of the good endings with 4,000 effective points. The best endings need 5,000.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #132

    Drewid said: View Post
    Nice! I manged to get only 5,600. But then again, I bricked it on Rannoch.

    Spoiler:

    I know you can get some of the good endings with 4,000 effective points. The best endings need 5,000.
    Spoiler:
    From what I understand the "best ending" requires 4,000 effective if you have a high enough rep to stop Anderson being shot twice. With 5,000 you can let him get shot the second time and still get the "best ending."
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #133

    I would also include a quest to get Bekenstein off their rich lazy a**es and assist in taking in refugees from the Citadel.
    Spoiler:
    That way we can get characters who you saved off the Citadel before the Reapers come in to take it. Still doesn't fix the plot hole involving the Reapers being able to take control of the Citadel at any time.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #134

    MasterDurangus said: View Post
    True as well. I read some articles that Drew K. said that the ending originally had to do with Dark Energy, some sort of force that compelled the Reapers to destroy organic life every 50,000 years. It's hinted at several times (like when you recruit Tali and she talks about how their sun's advanced age had no explanation) and that the ending revolves around this, picking whether to enjoy 1000 years of bliss before Dark Energy destroys everything, or sacrificing a race to stop them...

    More explanation would be needed, but it's a cool basis.

    Why is BW sticking with their ending? It's not getting them anywhere, they're losing people left and right. When will they swallow their pride??
    They're won't admit their wrong and EA probably won't let them swallow their pride. EA is notorious for strangling the developers it publishes. Square is getting just as bad.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #135

    MasterDurangus said: View Post
    True as well. I read some articles that Drew K. said that the ending originally had to do with Dark Energy, some sort of force that compelled the Reapers to destroy organic life every 50,000 years. It's hinted at several times (like when you recruit Tali and she talks about how their sun's advanced age had no explanation) and that the ending revolves around this, picking whether to enjoy 1000 years of bliss before Dark Energy destroys everything, or sacrificing a race to stop them...

    More explanation would be needed, but it's a cool basis.
    My god.... it's PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!

    Colonel Tom Edwards: You speak of Solaranite. But just what is it?

    Eros: Take a can of your gasoline. Say this can of gasoline is the sun. Now, you spread a thin line of it to a ball, representing the earth. Now, the gasoline represents the sunlight, the sun particles. Here we saturate the ball with the gasoline, the sunlight. Then we put a flame to the ball. The flame will speedily travel around the earth, back along the line of gasoline to the can, or the sun itself. It will explode this source and spread to every place that gasoline, our sunlight, touches. Explode the sunlight here, gentlemen, you explode the universe. Explode the sunlight here and a chain reaction will occur direct to the sun itself and to all the planets that sunlight touches, to every planet in the universe. This is why you must be stopped. This is why any means must be used to stop you. In a friendly manner or as (it seems) you want it.


    Can you imagine the Reapers actually telling the whole entire galaxy "Your stupid minds! Stupid! STUPID!"
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #136

    I also wondered why that planet (where you recruit Tali, forgot the name) wasn't mentioned. I assumed it would figure into how the Reapers would get here.

    In my ending Anderson was only shot once, so I don't know if there's a way to save him or not.

    The whole ending didn't make sense IMO. So the catalyst, who I assume is an AI from some lost civilization, decides to stop organic life from creating synthetic life by making the Reapers, which are synthetic beings. Ok....
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #137

    Amazon.com if apparently offering full refunds for the game to anyone who got it from them. I'd ask them before you do it though to make sure no strings are attached. They also offer 33.00 credit for trade ins. Cnet and yahoonews have picked up on people being unhappy with it too now.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #138

    Sluis Van Shipyards said: View Post
    I also wondered why that planet (where you recruit Tali, forgot the name) wasn't mentioned. I assumed it would figure into how the Reapers would get here.

    In my ending Anderson was only shot once, so I don't know if there's a way to save him or not.

    The whole ending didn't make sense IMO. So the catalyst, who I assume is an AI from some lost civilization, decides to stop organic life from creating synthetic life by making the Reapers, which are synthetic beings. Ok....
    I've yet to complete the campaign, but based on what I've read Anderson dies no matter what. It's just a matter of whether TIM shoots him dead or he bleeds out after you kill TIM. Anderson bleeding out is worth 1000 EMS apparently as far as the "best" ending is concerned.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #139

    DuneMuadDib said: View Post
    Spoiler:
    From what I understand the "best ending" requires 4,000 effective if you have a high enough rep to stop Anderson being shot twice. With 5,000 you can let him get shot the second time and still get the "best ending."
    Good to know. Thanks!

    Sluis Van Shipyards said: View Post
    I also wondered why that planet (where you recruit Tali, forgot the name) wasn't mentioned. I assumed it would figure into how the Reapers would get here.

    In my ending Anderson was only shot once, so I don't know if there's a way to save him or not.

    The whole ending didn't make sense IMO. So the catalyst, who I assume is an AI from some lost civilization, decides to stop organic life from creating synthetic life by making the Reapers, which are synthetic beings. Ok....
    I only saw him get shot once too. I've got the galactic readiness past 90% now so I'll know soon

    If you replace Catalyst's dialogue with "we decided that if we harvested the advanced civilizations once they found the relays and the Citadel they could not be a threat to us" it makes a little more sense and keeps in spirit of the ME1. Still not a good ending.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #140

    Yahoo can't make up it's mind. It has an article attacking gamers and another that is supportive of them.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #141

    They are probably Op-Ed pieces or stuff that is bordering on it.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #142

    Choose Language | BioWare Social Network

    Microsoft marked down ME2 20.00 in this week to 39.99.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #143

    If it's not a move to try and quell some of the bad press with deflection the timing doesn't look good.
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    Mar 19, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #144

    Even if it is a move to try and quell it this looks bad. Another 2 weeks and it'll be cheaper new than used. Like i said earlier amazon's giving 33.00 for it as a trade in already.
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #145

    Sluis Van Shipyards said: View Post
    The whole ending didn't make sense IMO. So the catalyst, who I assume is an AI from some lost civilization, decides to stop organic life from creating synthetic life by making the Reapers, which are synthetic beings. Ok....
    Or how about the fact that the god child specifically calls those synthetics Reapers? I seem to remember...

    • Commander Shepard: Sovereign isn't just some Reaper ship Saren found. It's an actual Reaper!
    • Sovereign: Reaper? A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are.


    Or better yet, you remember the Geth in the original Mass Effect? They didn't turn into monstrous killing machines because they rebelled against the Quarians. All they did to their creators was kick them off their home world. The reason they turned into killing machines was because they were being influenced by Sovereign to attack organic life!

    And if this god child was the creator of the Reapers and resides on the Citadel, why than didn't it do anything to help Soverign when he tried to bring the Reapers back from dark space? I fail to see how this entity can create synthetic life with such power, control elevators in key areas, but can't even use the Citadel the way it was designed to work. Remember, the Keepers were the key to turning the Citadel into a relay. The method of turning the Citadel into a relay WAS STILL THERE. That is why Sovereign sent Saren to code it in himself which is why Shepard went in after him.
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #146

    I beat the game last night and have to agree with the general public on the endings. It felt so incomplete and left more questions. I liked the game for the most part, except the last 5-10 minutes.

    If you go to biowares forum, they have a thread for peoples feelings on the ending, that was started 5 days ago and has 310 pages already... Over 7500 posts. That is just insane!
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #147

    The BBC and ESPN are covering how bad things are now and the BBC supported the customers and not the company. Also apparently EA's giving PC users refunds for the game now.

    Remember in ME1 when you cleared the one base the Geth were broadcasting a Quarian opera which to me meant that they missed their creators. Somehow in ME 3 they turned into blood thirsty killers.
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #148

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    The BBC and ESPN are covering how bad things are now and the BBC supported the customers and not the company. Also apparently EA's giving PC users refunds for the game now.

    Remember in ME1 when you cleared the one base the Geth were broadcasting a Quarian opera which to me meant that they missed their creators. Somehow in ME 3 they turned into blood thirsty killers.
    The geth weren't bloodthirsty killers... they didn't attack the Quarians. The Quarians came after them! The Quarians were the aggressor against the geth in ME3.
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #149

    I normally don't post videos out of reaction to these sort of things, but check out this 40 second clip from an old movie "Murder by Death". Tell me that this doesn't reflect EXACTLY what's happening with the reaction to ME3's ending.

    LINK
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    Mar 20, 2012 - Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings? #150

    On another site I came upon a comparison that made me chuckle. Fans wanted or expected the ending to "Saving Private Ryan" but were given the ending to "Matrix Revolutions" instead.

    For all the Reaper's (and Star Child's) claims that synthetics would rise up and kill organics the only time that happened in the current cycle is when the Reapers indoctrinated the Geth.

    If I ever do go back to playing I may just let Marauder Shields save me from the ending.

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