Thought this was a pretty good info graphic on the alt timelines
But for giggles...
1. It's not hard to imagine that in this line of work, the old guys are replaced quite often with new faces. The loopers who worked with Kid Blue and Abe in 2044 could potentially be the only ones that know what the two looked like, and they are for the most part out of the organization. Everyone else could be dead by the time Blue starts his rise, or killed before he was identified. It would be ~30 years before Blue would make his strike anyway. Plenty of time to be forgotten.
2. They are already loosey-goosey with the time travel, I am not sure if it matters if Kid Blue, in this particular time line, ends up becoming old Abe as The Rainmaker in 30 years. Besides, the way they showed things, changes in the past didn't effect the future until right as they happened. So it might be a while before Kid Blue goes from being Abe's prodigy to the turning point where Abe would vanish from that timeline. The film painted it like so long as certain possibilities were still that, then the characters could continue on their mission despite how unlikely their goal was becoming. It's not until you cut off your finger, do things you can't come back from, that the future was rewritten.
Just something I threw together:
I liked it...until the very end. The resolution was too obvious. Throughout the film I found myself thinking...it's going to end with the way it did. But I stopped myself and thought "no they are doing such a good job with the drama, the dialogue, etc. that there is no way they will just take the easy way out." I was sure they were going to surprise me with a well crafted ending that cleverly played with sme of the complexities of time travel already presented and dramatic cues.
But they didn't.
Perhaps I've just watched too much Doctor Who.
Why didn't he just shoot his right hand off?!!!!
Because he could of picked up the gun with the other hand and I don't think he could blow off his then good hand with the blunderbuss using his stump.
Liked it and the trailer didnt give away the entire storyline, refreshing.
When RJ was asked if Abe was the future version of Kid Blue...
"I really love this theory. In fact I love it so much I'm not going to weigh in on it."
"You mean are they the same person? I'm stealthily (or really clumsily) dodging answering that theory. :-) "
Saw this last night. All I thought when it was done was "bet the internet is going to have a fit over the time travel flaws". The flaws did really bother me, but I was able to set it aside and really enjoy the movie. Although thought it would be a little less predictable than it was. This is the type of movie where you just have to accept the sci-fi element and go from there. It's obvious that Johnson didn't want to spend time going over any technical details, as all of those scenes were quick and to the point.
Couple q's: was the rainmaker the one who shot old Joe's wife and brought him in? Why didn't we get any glimpse of his refined TK power as an adult?
Also, out of curiosity, do you think the time machine can be set to 30 years in the past, or do you think that when they discovered time travel, they found out it only works for minus 30?
I wish Rian elaborated a little more about how The Rainmaker existed, or at the very least how he might have a grudge against the mob/loopers in Old Joe's timeline when Sara was not killed by Old Joe in that timeline.
I can kind of piece something together, but I'm not sure it's what the filmmakers were going for.
Heavy Future: My thoughts on Looper and why I traveled eight hours to another city to watch it
Looper got released across theatres in India on Friday October 12, 2012. But judging by the way they treated the Dredd screening at Big Cinemas, I knew I couldn't risk watching it in the city of Mangalore. So I booked tickets at PVR Cinemas for myself and my friends in Bangalore. Thankfully there was an advanced Thursday screening for 7 pm on October 11. And thus I took the Wednesday's night bus, traveled about 8 hours to reach Bangalore next day solely to watch Looper.
Looper is one of those rare sci-fi films in modern cinema where its originality and unpredictable nature itself sets it apart from the run of the mill sci-fi action films, while keeping you entertained and invested in the characters till the very end. Joseph Gordon-Levitt's immersive performance as Young Joe was a real treat to watch and his convincing make up also helped to totally distance the actor from the character. The score to the film by Nathan Johnson was another highlight of the film for me, by being both energetic and moody with its choice of non-traditional orchestral sounds. The track Time Machine is one of my favourites. And though I was hoping that the scope of the final act would be little bigger, the movie took the right approach by going for character focus and emotional depth over spectacle thus delivering a stronger impact.
I had only seen the teaser trailer in the past, but through the interviews with Rian Johnson I knew early on that the time travel aspect will not be playing a large role in the story. But rather time travel will only be used as a means to jump start the story, allowing the character conflict to unfold and take over the narrative. On more than one occasion there are characters in the movie emphasizing that time travel is not worth talking or getting worked up about; that was also pretty much meant as a parallel to what the director was trying to tell the audience in relation to the film itself.
It's always hard not to dwell on the time travel intricacies, I myself can't help it sometimes; but judging the merits of a film purely on the basis of how accurate the physics of time travel got played out is akin to discrediting a film cause it portrayed spaceship battles in space with sound effects.
In relation to directors answering questions about their movies, especially in the case of Looper and plot holes here is a good article titled Should Filmmakers Explain Their Movies? (Spoilers).
And here are some interesting and funny tweets I came across in regards to Looper plot holes. Click on the images to see responses to those tweets.
I had only watched Looper once in Bangalore and headed back to Mangalore on the night of Saturday October 13. As I was traveling in the bus, I received a tweet reply on my mobile from my friend Arjun Suri. It was in response to my tweet few days earlier where I mentioned how Mangalore Big Cinemas may not be playing Looper and I can't risk waiting for it. He mentioned that Looper was playing in the Mangalore multiplex but only in Hindi. I chuckled and I couldn't believe that they decided to release a dubbed Hindi version of Looper in Mangalore. The only time they ever played a dubbed version was for The Raid as it was not in English in the first place. But since The Raid was not playing with the original Indonesian voices with English subtitles, I didn't watch it in the theatre even though it was primarily an action film and was probably less dialogue driven.
So even though I knew I wouldn't get to watch Looper for a second time at the theatre, I was so glad that I was able to foresee this scenario and managed to avoid it. Looper was totally worth the long trip of eight hours.
Have any of you downloaded Rian Johnson's "in theater commentary track" and gone to see the movie again with it? I just did a couple of days ago, and it was pretty cool.
Looper Blu-ray Release Date, Details and Cover Art
With 17 deleted scenes that sums up to about 40 minutes of footage.
Really excited about the deleted footage, but I'm disappointed that this is yet another recently-released movie that is skimping on bonus features on the DVD. I guess they really want everyone to switch to BluRay as quickly as possible.
Also, it's so odd to bump into you on many forums that I frequent (BTTF.com, Pixar Planet and at least several others that I can't remember at the moment). I guess we have many interests in common!
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