The Interview (Post-release)

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I think the thing being missed now that we know or think we know NK is behind all this is that while NK might not have military force worth noting, they have allies, allies that have economic and political power that could do some serious damage. I don't think Sony wants to be held responsible for the start of a new Cold War or anything similar.

Eh...not really. The situation with China and DPRK is complex, but most believe that Beijing has little patience for Kim Jung Un. Moreover, it's highly unlikely that another state would be compelled to take any meaningful action based on a comedy film.
 
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Now that we know it was them they should release the film. Those idiots are incapable of anything.

Well, yes and no. Militarily? North Korea is a joke. The only reason the North hasn't been steamrolled is China. Although that relationship has deteriorated over the years, particularly as China modernized and North Korea did not.

All that aside, apparently North Korea was at least sufficiently well off to fund this kind of hacking effort.

The reality is that, if they really wanted to, they could pay some dude with a gun to go into a theater showing The Interview, and just shoot the place up. A terror attack doesn't need to involve dirty bombs or ricin or airplanes. It can just be a guy with a gun shooting people. Or hell, even stabbing people. The point is to engender fear for political ends, not military dominance. And the reality is also that, realistically, this can happen anywhere at any time. Our security is an illusion, largely. There are plenty of public and/or strategic targets that terrorists could attack at any time. Movie theaters, subways, bus stations, restaurants, water reservoirs, power plants, etc., etc., etc. These places are not constantly guarded, if they're guarded at all. If all North Korea wanted to do was to make a statement, they could just pay a few guys to shoot up some theaters. Easy peasy.

Now, is that likely? Probably not. But it is feasible, even with a comparatively much weaker military.

This should be treated as an act of war, if we went and got caught hacking their stuff they'd be raising hell. This is also a very very good example of why not everything needs to be on a computer hooked to the freaking internet. If companies and agencies would learn to keep secret crap off things that can be hacked this wouldn't happen. This movie was going to be a turd anyhow and I'm amused by the "stars" complaining about the showing cancellations.

Mmmmmm.....no. This kind of stuff -- cyber attacks -- happen all the time. Nobody is going to war over it. Also, Sony is a Japanese company, not an American one. These are the things countries do in lieu of war. As for the rest, I agree with you. Companies can protect their stuff by not having it be somewhere that hackers can get to -- like offline.

This makes no sense., There must be something else going on here to make SONY willing to eat its multimillion $ investment in this film. So far these hackers have released damaging inside information, so perhaps what's gone public is the tip of the iceberg compared to the really nasty stuff, and SONY execs don't want the public to know. A little blackmail.

It's all despicable.

I think it's more the cumulative effect of several things.

1. Sony is taking heat for the loss of its information. Much of this probably has independent economic value, and provides intel to other studios looking to compete. That's not good.

2. The theaters that said they were going to run the film got spooked. Once enough of them pulled it, Sony had to address it. Once too many of them pulled it, Sony had to delay the film and then decide whether it's really worth trying to show this at all. It doesn't make sense to have the film open in what is effectively "limited release." Better to wait it out and then hope this blows over and they can release it later in proper fashion. Maybe that'll happen, maybe not. If not, they take a loss.

3. Sony was also possibly spooked about the bad press that could follow if they pushed ahead anyway and something happened at even one theater. Even if it was just some loony who was inspired by the threat to make themselves a name, Sony doesn't want its name being said in the same sentence with "...and the roughly 79 people who were killed and 11 wounded at the Alamo Draft House shooting this Christmas." Again, maybe it isn't realistic to expect this to happen, but it's one of those "If there's even a chance it could...then we're pulling it."

As has been said, this is over a Franco/Rogen comedy film. Someone, somewhere said "This **** isn't worth the risk." And, frankly, I agree. It's not worth the risk. The film isn't meant to be some big political statement, nor is it intended as propaganda the way something like The Great Dictator or even Act of Valor were. It's just a goofy stoner movie. And yeah, maybe it's art, but it's also business.

Eh...not really. The situation with China and DPRK is complex, but most believe that Beijing has little patience for Kim Jung Un. Moreover, it's highly unlikely that another state would be compelled to take any meaningful action based on a comedy film.

Bingo. Nobody's going to war over a film, nor are they going to war over a lone hacking incident that only has economic effects (unless it was, like, shutting down Wall Street for a week).
 
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This makes no sense., There must be something else going on here to make SONY willing to eat its multimillion $ investment in this film. So far these hackers have released damaging inside information, so perhaps what's gone public is the tip of the iceberg compared to the really nasty stuff, and SONY execs don't want the public to know. A little blackmail.

It's all despicable.

Exactly. Sony is afraid to have more of their dirty laundry aired, and we'll see more evidence of what hypocritical ****** nozzles they are.
 
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Paramount has pulled all Team America showings.

This should tell folks something.


Look, Hollywood is a risk-averse industry. Like, to the point where they would so rather avoid the risk of new films that they'd prefer to mine BOARD GAMES AND AMUSEMENT PARK RIDES for brands that they can license and attach to what's otherwise a mediocre or awful film. Seriously. Look at all the reboots, reimaginings, repackagings. Look at all the branded properties, the attempts to mimic whatever was most successful most recently, and you will understand that Hollywood is, by nature, a cautious beast.

I understand the Alamo Drafthouse or other theaters saying "DO YOUR WORST, TERRORISTS!!!" but at the same time, it is entirely predictable that Paramount would say "Nope. Not with our name attached to the picture, you don't," and pull the film. Why? Simple. If, God forbid, anything should actually happen, any real terrorist attack, any lone nutbag who wants his 15 minutes of fame, any practical jokester who mails the theater a bag of baking soda or whatever, these studios have their names and their brands stuck with the story.

The Aurora, CO shooting was unconnected to the Batman franchise, luckily for WB. But if it had been somehow inspired or in response to the Batman films, and if it had been preceded by a warning that it would happen, WB would be in a very different position, and they know it. They know that they'd be hanged in the court of public opinion, and that their films would suffer. They'd rather run the risk that you'll be temporarily irked at them for pulling a film than having someone shoot up a theater and say "And it's Batman's fault!" They don't want anything negative linking to their brands.

And that's the other thing. Hollywood is driven by BRANDS now. Brands, brands, brands. And that means positive associations, familiarity, and that all translating into a viewer being more likely to go see a film. They will do NOTHING to jeopardize that, and will do everything to protect it in the long run. It's how they survive. Nobody wants their brands to be associated -- let alone forever linked -- with a terrorist attack or a psycho murder spree.
 
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Word is behind the scenes the other studios have been applying a lot pressure against Sony to not release it because they fear the people will stay away from theates and all their movies would suffer as well. There's plenty of blame to go around on this. Remember, artistic expression if last on a list of things movie studios care about.
 
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Yep and that is the way to describe most corporations.

devincf : A country run by corporations is a country that is cowardly and exclusively profit-driven. ******* capitalism.

The reasoning is sound, still wish they didn't scare so easily.
 
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Yeah I noticed that earlier, but didn't watch it as it will be very much out of context. Plan to watch it during the movie itself.
 
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Ha. Good point. Is there a smiley with dollar signs for eyes on here? There should be, because there is not better way to describe Hollywood.

It's more than that, though.

Yep and that is the way to describe most corporations.

devincf : A country run by corporations is a country that is cowardly and exclusively profit-driven. ******* capitalism.

The reasoning is sound, still wish they didn't scare so easily.

It's a lot closer to this.

It's not just that they only care about money. It's that they are extremely risk-averse. Hollywood goes for what it thinks are "sure things." It appears to avoid anything that isn't a "sure thing." It doesn't, generally speaking, appear to take a ton of risks. This is why we've seen umpteen gajillion comic book movies, movies based on toy lines, movies based on board games, movies with the same name as a previous movie and a thinly connected plot (e.g. 21 Jump Street), etc. All of these were greenlit because Hollywood believes that people respond most effectively to positive associations with names.

Branding is all.

They aren't really wrong about that, either. Their approach has been pretty successful, in my opinion. Many of the "branded properties" that I've watched over the last ten years are films I think would've been savaged by critics and viewers alike at the box office...except for the fact that they had familiar names and a thin veneer of intellectual property lifted from the previous iteration.

Hollywood takes note of these successes. And Hollywood has learned that positive vibes = profits. Which also means that negative vibes = loss of profits. I think in this case, the studio would rather take what it expects to be a brief beating as a result of this, and go on to put out Spider-Man 3 (or, y'know, reboot it again...) and X-Men Days of Future Present or whathaveyou, and rake in the cash again. That won't work so well if Sony is described as "The studio that insisted upon showing a film that resulted in a terrorist attack."

That such an attack is probably unlikely....just ain't enough of a sure thing to mollify Sony.
 
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The Interview posters going for crazy prices on eBay.

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Mark Hamill: Emotional whiplash- THRILLED with Cuba news, DEPRESSED with the Sony/Korea fiasco! Our 1st amendment rights have been severely wounded!
 
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