Edge of Tomorrow ( Live Die Repeat) (Post-release)

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Did Warner Bros. Change Edge Of Tomorrow's Title Again - CinemaBlend.com

At this point I think it's kinda of a brilliant marketing move. But I wonder if the actual title in the movie will also be changed.

Saw the following shared on FB earlier by one of my friends.

Best comment about this from Reddit: "It's in character with the movie. They keep redoing the title over and over again hoping to eventually get it right."

Another comment. "Here's a thought... What if the fact that they're changing the title is the point here, and not the new title itself? This whole thing could be a last-ditch effort to get people buzzing about the movie online before it's released on DVD. There's no way we'd have this many articles and discussions about Edge of Tomorrow at this point if the only story was that it was coming out on DVD.?"

Update:
EvanDickson: "Contacted WB. Title is still officially EDGE OF TOMORROW — Live Die Repeat remains the tagline/home video angle"
 
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Finally watched this one tonight. On the whole, I really, really liked it, and that surprised me, since I'm usually one of those "Ugh...Tom Cruise? Really?" people.

The only thing I had an issue with was the ending. Emotionally, it made perfect sense. Story-wise? Didn't make a lick of sense. They established certain "rules" in the film early on, and the ending simply...breaks those rules without explaining how/why.

I'll spoiler-tag this next bit, just for safety's sake.

So, here's the thing. I get that the Omega blood seeped into Cage at the end, and the day resets, probably when he dies. I get that the day in question is actually the day before the invasion, because that's the day he, Rita, and J-Squad head off to kill the Omega. I get all that. What I DON'T get is why, when the day resets, the Omega is still dead, along with every other mimic. And it's never explained or alluded to at all.

Now, I can dream up several explanations, and already have. One involves the following:

There's more than one Omega, and what appears to be a victory is fundamentally no different from the Verdun victory -- it's a trick designed to lull the humans into a false sense of security until the mimics can attack again properly. Maybe, as the mechanic/doctor surmised, there's more than one Omega out there. Maybe all the Omegas are connected. So, you kill one, great, it kills the local effect, but the hive-mind lives on AND it remembers.

In other words, they just set up a sequel.

But any explanation of the ending requires...well...an explanation. One that isn't provided in the film. And frankly, I don't think that was on purpose. I think that the ending was what it was because they wanted a happy ending. Period. I think they assumed audiences wouldn't care because, emotionally, it worked and gave the people what they wanted. So, breaking of storytelling rules be damned, that's how it ends. Compare that to an alternate ending of self-sacrifice that retains the timeline, but where all your favorites die. Or one where there's a question-mark about all your favorites dying.

For example, they could've had shots of newscasters reporting of the end of the war, the general saying "We're moving in on them, and the Russians and Chinese are meeting no resistance," and then roll credits...with an after-credit sequence showing Cruise getting enveloped by the omega blood, and then waking up...somewhere. You don't know where, you don't know the circumstances, etc.

You could've had endings that followed the "rules" established in the story, or you could've had an ending that breaks the rules BUT tells us HOW the rules were broken, and why. Instead, I think they went with the worst possible approach, where the ending breaks the rules, and you're left wondering "Wait, how the hell does THAT work?" even though, emotionally, you're satisfied.

To me, that's just...lazy. It's lazy writing. I've seen it in other stories where there's some emotionally satisfying, but bonkers or poorly explained or simply "Nah, we're not gonna tell you" ending, and it always just strikes me as a waste. You could've had both. Instead, you just figured "Meh. Good enough" and went with the emotional end, without providing a logical wraparound for it.
 
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I hate Cruise, but I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed this. It felt like real ideas-based old school sci-fi, which we rarely get these days it seems. Of course, being somewhat cerebral meant it was doomed from the start, but hey, I appreciate the effort. Well acted, well directed, smart, and a treat to look at. Highly recommended.
 
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cayman shen said:
I hate Cruise, but I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed this. It felt like real ideas-based old school sci-fi, which we rarely get these days it seems. Of course, being somewhat cerebral meant it was doomed from the start, but hey, I appreciate the effort. Well acted, well directed, smart, and a treat to look at. Highly recommended.
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I'm not a fan of him at all, which is why I was reluctant to rent it. But I'm glad I did! Loved it!
 
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Vivek said:
Did Warner Bros. Change Edge Of Tomorrow's Title Again - CinemaBlend.com

At this point I think it's kinda of a brilliant marketing move. But I wonder if the actual title in the movie will also be changed.

Saw the following shared on FB earlier by one of my friends.

Best comment about this from Reddit: "It's in character with the movie. They keep redoing the title over and over again hoping to eventually get it right."

Another comment. "Here's a thought... What if the fact that they're changing the title is the point here, and not the new title itself? This whole thing could be a last-ditch effort to get people buzzing about the movie online before it's released on DVD. There's no way we'd have this many articles and discussions about Edge of Tomorrow at this point if the only story was that it was coming out on DVD.?"

Update:
EvanDickson: "Contacted WB. Title is still officially EDGE OF TOMORROW — Live Die Repeat remains the tagline/home video angle"
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So, on Directv. the pay per view channels list the title as Live, Die, Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow. You kinda have to look closely at the DVD cover to find Edge of Tomorrow. Live, Die, Repeat takes up the bulk of the cover.

Not really sure if this is working, selling more DVDs...
 
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Solo4114 said:
Finally watched this one tonight. On the whole, I really, really liked it, and that surprised me, since I'm usually one of those "Ugh...Tom Cruise? Really?" people.

The only thing I had an issue with was the ending. Emotionally, it made perfect sense. Story-wise? Didn't make a lick of sense. They established certain "rules" in the film early on, and the ending simply...breaks those rules without explaining how/why.

I'll spoiler-tag this next bit, just for safety's sake.

So, here's the thing. I get that the Omega blood seeped into Cage at the end, and the day resets, probably when he dies. I get that the day in question is actually the day before the invasion, because that's the day he, Rita, and J-Squad head off to kill the Omega. I get all that. What I DON'T get is why, when the day resets, the Omega is still dead, along with every other mimic. And it's never explained or alluded to at all.

Now, I can dream up several explanations, and already have. One involves the following:

There's more than one Omega, and what appears to be a victory is fundamentally no different from the Verdun victory -- it's a trick designed to lull the humans into a false sense of security until the mimics can attack again properly. Maybe, as the mechanic/doctor surmised, there's more than one Omega out there. Maybe all the Omegas are connected. So, you kill one, great, it kills the local effect, but the hive-mind lives on AND it remembers.

In other words, they just set up a sequel.

But any explanation of the ending requires...well...an explanation. One that isn't provided in the film. And frankly, I don't think that was on purpose. I think that the ending was what it was because they wanted a happy ending. Period. I think they assumed audiences wouldn't care because, emotionally, it worked and gave the people what they wanted. So, breaking of storytelling rules be damned, that's how it ends. Compare that to an alternate ending of self-sacrifice that retains the timeline, but where all your favorites die. Or one where there's a question-mark about all your favorites dying.

For example, they could've had shots of newscasters reporting of the end of the war, the general saying "We're moving in on them, and the Russians and Chinese are meeting no resistance," and then roll credits...with an after-credit sequence showing Cruise getting enveloped by the omega blood, and then waking up...somewhere. You don't know where, you don't know the circumstances, etc.

You could've had endings that followed the "rules" established in the story, or you could've had an ending that breaks the rules BUT tells us HOW the rules were broken, and why. Instead, I think they went with the worst possible approach, where the ending breaks the rules, and you're left wondering "Wait, how the hell does THAT work?" even though, emotionally, you're satisfied.

To me, that's just...lazy. It's lazy writing. I've seen it in other stories where there's some emotionally satisfying, but bonkers or poorly explained or simply "Nah, we're not gonna tell you" ending, and it always just strikes me as a waste. You could've had both. Instead, you just figured "Meh. Good enough" and went with the emotional end, without providing a logical wraparound for it.
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Some possible explanations here...

http://screenrant.com/edge-of-tomorrow-ending-spoilers-time-travel/2/

The Omega’s ability to reset time and retain memories from the previous loop mean that, to some extent, it exists outside of a traditional observance of time – suggesting that even though time resets for Cage, Vrataski, J-Squad, and human kind, the Omega’s death is a fixed event outside of the loop. In that situation, time adjusts to the change during the next reset – incorporating the explosion and the death of the Mimics. Given that humanity exists within the normal restrictions of time, when Cage’s death causes the final reset, Vrataski and J-Squad are restored to their former positions at the beginning of his loop.So why does Cage awaken hours before his normal start point on the Heathrow tarmac? In his previous resets, Cage reverts back to his first waking moment, which – since he was previously knocked out by a taser – occurred on the airfield. However, we know from the opening of the film that Cage’s day originally started hours earlier, prior to his fateful meeting with General Brigham, when his helicopter arrived at UDF headquarters. If in fact time has adjusted to the death of the Mimics, then Cage avoids meeting with the General – since Operation Downfall is no longer necessary. For that reason, Cage would never have been marked a deserter, never been knocked out, and would have never awakened on the airport tarmac. As time anticipates and adjusts to the changes, Cage’s waking moment reverts to its original starting point – when the helicopter landed at the UDF.
If that explanation doesn’t vibe with you, it’s also possible that Omega (as opposed to Alpha) blood gave him increased power for the new reset – either by throwing him farther back in time or providing him the agency to decide a different starting point for the reset. After all, the extent of the Omega’s powers are not outright explained (or known), meaning it’s also possible the brain blood allowed Cage to drastically manipulate reality - by choosing a new waking point, as well as pulling destruction of the Mimics into the new timeline. Regardless of the actual explanation, the new waking point allows Cage to avoid his original arrest and retain his Major rank.
As for whether or not Cage is still able to time loop with no Mimics left on Earth, the post-Omega reset should be Cage’s last. It can be assumed that without the Mimic collective around, Cage no longer has the power to reset time. Still, he might want to ask for a blood transfusion, just to be safe. Otherwise, Major Cage is now free to debrief Vrataski on what actually happened - over a cup of coffee (with three sugars).

Another site with theories.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Edge-Tomorrow-Ending-Explained-How-It-Differs-From-Book-43381.html

and in the post by Kyle Beulmeler I found a explanation that makes some sense......
"There are 2 things that you need to understand before I write this:
#1. THIS IS WHY EVERYONE IS CONFUSED WITH THE ENDING…When a person is tased they are not unconscious for 24 hours…They are only unconscious for 2-3 hours at best. REMEMBER THIS, it’s common sense!!!
#2. When an Alpha/Omega is killed and their blood is transferred to a human that Alpha/Omega ceases to exist because the human takes that beings place. This is why the Alpha that Cage killed never returns to the battlefield, AND why the Omega never returns…But I’ll get to that later. Cage is now that Alpha and
when he dies the Omega resets time 24 hours (1 day) FROM WHEN THE ALPHA WAS ORIGINALLY KILLED.
I will now give you a timeline of events. This will make it much easier for everyone to understand. Please note that exact times are not mentioned in the movie, so I will be giving the times listed:
7:00AM (Day 1) – Cage wakes up in the helicopter on the way to meet the General
8:00AM (Day 1) – Cage is tased and labeled a deserter following his meeting with the General
10:00AM (Day 1) – Cage is awoken on the base by being kicked and called a maggot (PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS STILL THE SAME DAY)
9:00AM (Day 2) – THIS IS THE NEXT DAY. Cage is dropped from the plane and lands on the beach
9:05AM (Day 2) – Cage stated “I die within 5 minutes of landing on that beach” so this is when he kills the Alpha, and dies in the process
Now every time Cage dies time is reset 24 hours FROM WHEN THE ALPHA ORIGINALLY DIED. This is why when he dies during PT by being ran over he is reset to 9:05AM (DAY 1) AND when he dies much later at the German Dam due to drowning himself he is still reset to 9:05AM (DAY 1). Also notice that
9:05AM is while he is unconscious due to being tased, and rather than the movie showing us Cage sleeping for 55 minutes they just skip to where he is awoken by being kicked and called a maggot.
Now I will explain the ending for all of you:
10:00AM (DAY 1) – Cage is awoken on the base by being kicked and called a maggot
2:00PM (Day 1) – Cage and Rita meet with the General and get the device that Cage shoves into his leg
5:00PM (Day 1) – Cage wakes up after receiving a blood transfusion and losing his ability to reset time
10:00PM (DAY 1) – Cage and Rita convince J-Squad to help them
6:00AM (DAY 2) – Cage kills the Omega, and all of the Mimics die along with it. The Omega’s blood is transferred to him and he becomes the Omega, resetting time 24 hours because the Alphas died
6:00AM (DAY 1) – Cage is now sleeping on the helicopter but just like before, rather than the movie show us 1 hour of him sleeping they just skip to where he wakes up on the helicopter. NOTE that at this time the Omega ceases to exist
because its blood was transferred to Cage
7:00AM (Day 1) – Cage wakes up. When the helicopter lands he realizes everything has been reset and his friends are all alive once again. Instead of meeting with the General at 8:00AM he sees on the television that the General no longer requires his assistance because all of the Mimics are being easily handled. The “Disturbance” that the General is referring to that happened under the Louvre in Paris is the Omega ceasing to exist because Cage now has his blood.
Once you understand that the end is NOT resetting time 2 days, and it’s actually only resetting it a few hours prior to when it was previously resetting, AND when Cage resets the Alpha/Omega that he got his ability from ceases to exist it’s pretty easy to wrap your head around everything."
 
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Thanks TK765, that post by Kyle really makes sense. That has now become my official explanation for the ending! :):thumbsup
 
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Yeah, I read some other stuff like that, and it helped. The thing that I was missing was:

When you kill an Alpha/Omega and take its blood, you effectively take its position in space-time. Thus, it ceases to exist, but you continue to exist. The part I missed was that after Cage kills the Alpha on the beach we never see the Alpha again, because Cage has assumed its position in the time-stream.

So, the movie doesn't break its own rules. It just doesn't clearly state what the rules are, and focuses so heavily on other rules, that you miss this rather crucial element.
 
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Yes, great explanation, I remembering thinking that the Alpha's should have been there. And the timeline makes more sense now.
 
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Just watched this, thought it was pretty good.

But I swear I read this exact story in a comic book way back in the early 70s. Don't remember what the comic was, I remember some kid letting me read it on the school bus. It was some comic that had several stories in it, but I have no idea what the rest of the book was. Wish I had that comic.
 
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What I really want to know is why was he forced into combat like he was? Had he done something wrong? Did that general just not like him or what? Why would anybody send someone who has no combat training into an invasion?
 
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Yeah, I know he pissed him off there in the office, but what happened originally that made the general want to send him into combat?

Also, I assumed that from the news footage at the beginning, Cage had something to do with the making of the exo-suits. How come he didn't know how to turn the safety off?
 
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I don't think Cage had anything to do with the exo-suits.
He was just the PR guy that made a star out of the "Angel of Verdun".
The general wanted Cage to work that same magic on his invasion.
Cage flat out refused, and had I been in the general's position I'd have sent him into combat, too.
You don't get to say "no, thanks, general, I'm gonna stay here where it's safe" when you're at war.
 
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Laspector said:
Yeah, I know he pissed him off there in the office, but what happened originally that made the general want to send him into combat?

Also, I assumed that from the news footage at the beginning, Cage had something to do with the making of the exo-suits. How come he didn't know how to turn the safety off?
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When the general told Cage that he would be on the beach filming the invasion, Cage tried to blackmail the general by trying to exchange getting out of filming the invasion in exchange for not painting the general in a bad light in the media. Couple that with his being a coward.. the general arrested him, tased him, and set him up as a deserter. By Cage's own admittance, he was not a combatant and knew nothing about fighting. Therefore, he would not have known how to turn the safety on and off.
 
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Trying to blackmail a flag officer is usually a good way to get a one way ticket to someplace horrible.
My father used to mention some poor Lieutenant that tried something like that with a group of Admirals, and suddenly found himself stationed at a remote naval radar facility in Nome, Alaska.
 
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I'm not really one to hold someone's religious beliefs against them, but after watching Going Clear the other night, I really think I may have to throw away the few Tom Cruise movies I have and never speak of the guy again. I just can't get past how out of touch this guy really is.
 
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Don't judge him on his beliefs, or his maniacal laughter. Judge him on his acting. (He's an O.K. actor) And don't discount an entire film just because he is in it. Remember, thousands of people work together to make a movie.

I saw Going Clear last night as well. It's a fascinating phenomena that Scientology.
 
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if your gonna throw out tom cruise cause of scientology then grab all your Travolta movies cause he is a member also. there personal beliefs and habits should have no relevance on there acting I.M.H.O. hubbard was a great writer, BATTLEFIELD EARTH was a GREAT book, the movie sucked....;) I will keep watching T.C.. and .J.T. movies regardless :popcorn
 
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