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    Dec 29, 2011 - Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #1

    A thought came to me today, after someone on another board mentioned H.P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness.

    One of the key elements of that story is that the civilization was effectively wiped out by their own creations, in this case the Shoggoths.

    And, it's come up several other times since then, somewhat recently in regards to humans and their machines, a la The Terminator and The Matrix.

    But what other times have we seen this idea? I assume it's something fairly contemporary, since humans have only recently (within the last century) developed the ability to create things that are capable of destroying us (at this point it's limited to things like disease, but you get the point), so it seems less likely that earlier authors would even have conceived of the idea.

    I'm not sure what literary device this idea falls under, so it's difficult to just Google it, so I'm asking if anyone here has any other examples besides the ones I've noted of the "civilization wiped out by its own creation" stories. In particular, older ones such as Lovecraft or his contemporaries, or even earlier. Basically, I'm curious as to how old this idea is, and how often it's been used in fiction. This isn't for a paper or anything, just my own curiosity.
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    Dec 29, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #2

    I'll go with "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison.

    World war breaks out between Russia, China and the United States. As the war progresses, the three nations create supercomputers to fight the war more efficiently.

    Eventually one computer becomes sentient and absorbs the other two. It wipes out humanity leaving four men and one woman.


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    Dec 29, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #3

    Well, the original Frankenstein fits the bill.
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    Dec 29, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #4

    Greek mythos? Titans overthrown by the Greek Gods?
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    Dec 29, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #5

    Kerr Avon said: View Post
    Greek mythos? Titans overthrown by the Greek Gods?
    Isn't it odd that I miss the most obvious ones.. lol. Maybe limiting myself too much by concentrating on contemporary literature and cinema.. hehe.
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    Dec 29, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #6

    Currently being destroyed by his own creations....

    George Lucas

    That is all.

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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #7

    If we're discussing robots or AI having gone bad, I'd have to say the grand daddy of them all would have to be R.U.R. (Rossum's Universl Robots) by Karl Capek. This play introduced the very word "robot" to the English language.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #8

    Maelstrom said: View Post
    Currently being destroyed by his own creations....

    George Lucas

    That is all.

    You win the internet!
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #9

    12 Monkeys.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #10

    In Minority Report the crime fighting system ends up arresting every single person that they think will commit a crime. Turns out many people were innocent.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #11

    The theme has certain similarities with the Tower of Babel in Genesis, of course. While the tower itself didn't have the capacity for destruction, God's fear of man's technological potential to become as powerful as him caused him to ensure that the builders degenerated into confusion (if I were a religious man I'd honestly be wondering if He isn't up to the very same thing again right now!).
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #12

    "The 6th Day" - Towards the end of the movie the bad guy Michael Drucker (Tony Goldwyn) is killed by his own creation: the clone of Adam Gibson (Arnold Schwarzenegger).
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #13

    HG Wells used this theme in most of his books - The Time Machine, The Invisible Man, Things to Come, Island of Dr Moreau - all of these dealt with problems of our own doing.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #14

    If you follow the Generation 1 Transformers cartoon there's several instances of it. The Transformers drive their creators from Cybertron, Unicron turns against his creator who has another creation turn against him in the cartoon later on.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #15

    Roy Batty- "It's not an easy thing to meet your maker."
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #16

    I see your HG Wells and invoke Shakespeare.

    In all seriousness this kind of thing has been a recurrent element in storytelling for a long, long time - perhaps not the specific "we created a monster!" version, which I believe is about as old as science fiction (e.g. HG Wells and Mary Shelley as noted above), but the underlying theme of hubris and biting off more than you can chew is very old indeed. The biblical Genesis story has been mentioned, and I'd throw in things like Arabian djinn/genie stories, and a lot of medieval deal-with-the-devil folktales.

    TVTropes, as ever, has a jumping-on point...
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #17

    Maelstrom said: View Post
    Currently being destroyed by his own creations....

    George Lucas

    That is all.



    He wakes up every morning and goes to work and lets out a heavy sigh.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #18

    Plenty of small scale examples. How many large-scale? How many stories of entire civilizations wiped out?
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #19

    Colin Droidmilk said: View Post
    The theme has certain similarities with the Tower of Babel in Genesis, of course. While the tower itself didn't have the capacity for destruction, God's fear of man's technological potential to become as powerful as him caused him to ensure that the builders degenerated into confusion (if I were a religious man I'd honestly be wondering if He isn't up to the very same thing again right now!).
    You are a little off there.
    God did not fear "man's technological potential to become as powerful as him"
    He destroyed the tower because man thought they could attain Godliness by their works.

    That's probably about as much "religion" as this forum will allow, so I'll stop.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #20

    VelaNoon said: View Post
    In Minority Report the crime fighting system ends up arresting every single person that they think will commit a crime. Turns out many people were innocent.
    Actually, didn't it turn out that a murder WAS going to take place, but in actuallity it was that ONE murder was committed by someone who who the system and could plant fake evidence because of it? I don't think there was anyone innocent other than the cop being framed.
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #21

    I think it is an important theme in 2001 Space Odyssey as well. This story shows the evolution of man from his first use of a tool (apeman murders another with a bone) to the end when his tool becomes powerful enough to destroy him (Hal murders crew of Discovery).
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    Dec 30, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #22

    Forbidden Planet. The krell were wiped out in a single day by their technology.
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    Dec 31, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #23

    Planet of the Apes? I beleive it was first revealed that humans were defeated by the apes they'd enslaved in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, and was more recently noted in the Meky Mark Apes and, of course, Rise of the Planet of the Apes (which I have yet to see but have heard nothing but good things about)
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    Dec 31, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #24

    Maelstrom said: View Post
    Currently being destroyed by his own creations....

    George Lucas

    That is all.

    A lot of people say it is the other way around. The man just cannot stop screwing with his movies.
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    Dec 31, 2011 - Re: Destroyed by their own creations? When have we seen this idea? #25

    The Matrix

    And also Star Trek, particularly TNG and the Eugenics Wars.
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