Dark Knight Rises

Warner Brothers authorized the novelization from the script and as they Own Batman and the franchise, i'd say they have the final say....

That would also mean that this is canon as well....

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No, the film IS the script written by the Nolans.

But you just said that the film is an adaptation, not a script.

And a film isn't a script, and in itself is an interpretation of the text in the script (which serves only a basis of what the film could be depending on how the script is interpreted), no matter if the writer of the script is the director or not. In fact, if you look at a script, it doesn't show all the details that are shown in the film. For example, Escape from New York had an alternate opening which shows Snake Plisskin robbing a bank and showing his partner getting shot and him arrested. That was in the script too. But, the theatrical cut of the film doesn't include that scene. If the film was the script, then that scene would have been included.

Another example is James Cameron's film The Terminator. There are scenes that were written in the script, and were filmed, but were cut out. One of them being the revelation that the factory that Reese and Sarah ran and hid in was actually Cyberdyne Systems. Yet, that detail was left out of the script. There was also another scene where Sarah talked Reese into helping her destroy Cyberdyne and Reese agreeing to do so (the only detail left from it was the construction of the pipe bombs and their use in the film). Though that was written in the script, the film did not use it.

And for the film Suicide Kings, this scene where Christopher Walken's character is shown being kidnapped. Basically, they try to use a strap to hold him down while they inject a sedative into him, but he puts up a struggle and they end up wrecking the car and the car almost getting smashed by a semi truck, only for it to get moved out of the way before doing so and then them taking off into the night. The scene was described as followed in the script, as according to the director who filmed it: "They kidnap him." That's all. Not a single one of those events shown in the scene was present in the script.

So, since a film can't be a script, and is an interpretation/adaptation of the script, even with the author is the director, you've only helped back up your original logic: the film is glorified fan fiction and is no different from the novel.
 
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Oh...and here, this should finish up this little argument so that we can all get back to talking about what we're excited or interested about with the upcoming film! :rolleyes

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Note the "Based on the Warner Bros. Pictures Film." It means that the novel was written with the film as a reference. Also, keep in mind that the writer was Dennis O'Neil, who was at one point the editor in charge of all the Batman titles over at DC comics. It seems pretty obvious here that he threw in some backstory from the comics into the novelization for Harvey Dent.

With that being said, let's get back to THE DARK KNIGHT RISES!!! :)
 
But you just said that the film is an adaptation, not a script.

And a film isn't a script, and in itself is an interpretation of the text in the script (which serves only a basis of what the film could be depending on how the script is interpreted), no matter if the writer of the script is the director or not. In fact, if you look at a script, it doesn't show all the details that are shown in the film. For example, Escape from New York had an alternate opening which shows Snake Plisskin robbing a bank and showing his partner getting shot and him arrested. That was in the script too. But, the theatrical cut of the film doesn't include that scene. If the film was the script, then that scene would have been included.

Another example is James Cameron's film The Terminator. There are scenes that were written in the script, and were filmed, but were cut out. One of them being the revelation that the factory that Reese and Sarah ran and hid in was actually Cyberdyne Systems. Yet, that detail was left out of the script. There was also another scene where Sarah talked Reese into helping her destroy Cyberdyne and Reese agreeing to do so (the only detail left from it was the construction of the pipe bombs and their use in the film). Though that was written in the script, the film did not use it.

And for the film Suicide Kings, this scene where Christopher Walken's character is shown being kidnapped. Basically, they try to use a strap to hold him down while they inject a sedative into him, but he puts up a struggle and they end up wrecking the car and the car almost getting smashed by a semi truck, only for it to get moved out of the way before doing so and then them taking off into the night. The scene was described as followed in the script, as according to the director who filmed it: "They kidnap him." That's all. Not a single one of those events shown in the scene was present in the script.

So, since a film can't be a script, and is an interpretation/adaptation of the script, even with the author is the director, you've only helped back up your original logic: the film is glorified fan fiction and is no different from the novel.

It is well known that Chris Nolan typically shoots everything that he writes.

I give up though, you guys can keep thinking whatever nonsense you wish.

Thanks bogeyphobia, it's good to hear a voice of reason in here. Lets get back on topic shall we?
 
Kinda hard for you to argue against your own logic, eh?

No, it's hard to argue against someone who completely doesn't understand what is being said. How can you not understand the difference between the man who wrote and directed the film vs. completely different person who wrote a spinoff to pinch pennies. My logic is sound. Good day sir.
 
No, it's hard to argue against someone who completely doesn't understand what is being said. How can you not understand the difference between the man who wrote and directed the film vs. completely different person who wrote a spinoff to pinch pennies. My logic is sound. Good day sir.

I never said I didn't understand the difference between the man who wrote and directed the film vs. completely different person who wrote a spinoff. All I did was point out the logic you presented, which was that you were saying the script and the film is glorified fan fiction. In that sense, you're logic is sound and all I did was point out how right you were.

If you meant something else, you sure didn't present it.
 
I never said I didn't understand the difference between the man who wrote and directed the film vs. completely different person who wrote a spinoff. All I did was point out the logic you presented, which was that you were saying the script and the film is glorified fan fiction. In that sense, you're logic is sound and all I did was point out how right you were.

If you meant something else, you sure didn't present it.

You misread. I said that the novelization was glorified fan fiction. You should reread everything I wrote.
 
You misread. I said that the novelization was glorified fan fiction. You should reread everything I wrote.

I never said I misread anything, and I didn't say I didn't understand what you were saying. In fact, I never stated that's what you said. I said that the logic you presented said that the film and script were also glorified fan fiction. Actually, I think you should reread everything you wrote. :lol
 
I never said I misread anything, and I didn't say I didn't understand what you were saying. In fact, I never stated that's what you said. I said that the logic you presented said that the film and script were also glorified fan fiction. Actually, I think you should reread everything you wrote. :lol

I said you misread because you did. Go back. When you inserted yourself into my debate with darklydreaming I was pointing out that the novelization cannot be considered part of the film because it was not written by the Nolans. Therefore it amounts to glorified fan fiction. Seriously, pay attention.
 
I said you misread because you did. Go back. When you inserted yourself into my debate with darklydreaming I was pointing out that the novelization cannot be considered part of the film because it was not written by the Nolans. Therefore it amounts to glorified fan fiction. Seriously, pay attention.

Well, you also presented the logic that the script is glorified fan fiction because the Nolans' written it based on a comic book they had no previous involvement with. Seriously, why are you arguing with your own logic? :lol :lol
 
Well, you also presented the logic that the script is glorified fan fiction because the Nolan's written it based on a comic book. Seriously, why are you arguing with your own logic? :lol :lol

You are putting words into my mouth. You inferred that. I never implied it. I never said it.

Seriously, if you don't want to talk about The Dark Knight Rises you need to get out of the thread. Or else you're just a troll.
 
Well, you also presented the logic that the script is glorified fan fiction because the Nolan's written it based on a comic book. Seriously, why are you arguing with your own logic? :lol :lol

No. You've forgotten what the original argument was about. The issue at hand was whether or not the novelization of "The Dark Knight" could be held as canon within Nolan's Batman universe. Benhs1898 clearly and simply stated that yes, while the film is in fact an adaptation of DC Comics' Batman, the novelization holds no merit within the same "universe" of the film, as it exists as an interpretation of the movie, just the same as the film holds no merit within the comic "universe."

Now that I've said my peace, let's all hug and get back to what's really important...

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