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    Jun 12, 2012 - The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #1

    I've seen Prometheus twice now and went through a lot of the questions I had in my own mind about the biology and premise of the movie. So I thought I would distill them a bit here for discussion.

    To cut to the chase, the key question Shaw asked the engineer was why did you create us then want to destroy us. And it was clear they wanted to.

    Let's go back 2000 years. A single engineer is dropped off on the moon by its ship in the opening sequence. It drinks an engineered organism that can replicate and replace DNA of the host organism in order to form derived organisms. As a result of drinking a solution of this engineered creation, the engineer's cells experience breakdown on account of the deconstruction of DNA in the cells. The engineer purposely positioned himself next to the waterfall of a river so that his body's remains could enter the river. There the alien could reconstruct the DNA and begin simple cell divisions. In this way, the engineers were "seeding" or "innoculating" the river so that they could then collect the water and put it in the cannisters to store on the ship for the trip to earth or other suitable planets.

    When the crew of the Prometheus first enter the chamber with the giant head, we see on the ground as a foot is being lifted, small worms likely native to the planet (after all the planet had clouds, and a suitable atmosphere for life). Once the crew disturbed the canisters, the black organic material flowing from them was the alien cells that hadn't yet had an organism to "redefine". So, their first encounter was with the worms. Taking the worm DNA as a template, they reconstructed it to become the white tentacle-like creature that attacks the two crew members later on. But all they could do was attack, enter the crew's bodies, etc. or infect them with cells that could modify the crew's DNA, nothing more.

    Then David did his deed, infecting Charlie with the cells from an ampule taken from a canister. Charlie's DNA was being slowly rewritten, much more slowly than what happened to the engineer, for whatever reason, perhaps in order so that it could be transmitted more easily (no point engineering a virus to kill instantly or it won't be transmitted so readily). It would have then infected Charlie's sperm. Charlie and Elizabeth had intercourse, resulting in something unusual, a recombination event between the modified, and now alien, sperm, and one of Elizabeth's eggs. This would transform the alien from one that simply infects and modifies to one that carries out host-based reproduction. Then, Elizabeth gives birth to a creature that was a hybrid of the worm creature and one of Charlie's sperm which at that point would have been alien. Thus the resemblance between a sperm and a worm, or an octopus-like creature with bilateral symmetry. This was the queen. And it grew to immense size into what essentially was a giant face-hugger. This then could infect or impregnate the engineer, which led to the creation of a hybrid between the engineer and the alien, or something more like the alien we are accustomed to seeing.

    So why destroy life on earth? 2000 years ago my guess is that the engineers probably decided that humans were advancing too quickly and for fear of them destroying the engineers in the future, they decided to decimate earth's life by transforming it. It was likely a matter of self-preservation.

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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #2

    Very observant SithLord


    Let's go back 2000 years. The question was asked, "Why kill Man?" Its possible that since the authorship of the movie existed in the mind of man, then its issues of today - 2000 years ago that would put a "bad taste" in the mouth of the designer of man.
    If the movie dated 2089 or so, then Rome was martyring every christian they could get their hands on and everything was falling apart. Man would begin to go through some dark ages. Christ had been born and crucified in that century, but acording to Josepheus, most of the original disciples of Christ were martyred late 1st century. Religion was a catalyst to make man skeptical about using "faith" (as was repeatedly used throughout the movie). Previous to this, Man underwent a new literary age, and became very astute using mathematics in all areas of his life.
    I could go on and on regarding the period around the 1st century.

    It appeard in the movie that when David questioned the living engineer, it may have been a perfect example of their motive for destroying man. Analyzing the people in the room, you had a man close to death who was literally and obviously hours from death, whose motive was to ask for "More" than that which was natural. You had a non-human who was "created" by man and so therefore, man became an "engineer" in his own mind. Thirdly, you have a woman, who was demanding answers to questions regarding the motive of the engineers themselves.
    All that said, i think the situation propituated the anger and hatred of man that was manifested within the engineers.
    The engineers method of destroying man seemed to go to an extreem. An engineer had to sacrifice himself in order to complete the task of making the "alien virus".

    A couple of more points that could be considered.
    1. If the "engineers" made man, and because of some higher authority, to which they answered, would become angered if it knew they created their own being, then they may have decided to end the existance of man to "wipe all trace" of their actions by destroying man.

    2. Man uses logical ways of viewing god as "perfect". Be that as it may, the engineers obviously made some boo-boos, or they wouldnt have wound up dead themselves.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #3

    SithLord said: View Post

    So why destroy life on earth? 2000 years ago my guess is that the engineers probably decided that humans were advancing too quickly and for fear of them destroying the engineers in the future, they decided to decimate earth's life by transforming it. It was likely a matter of self-preservation.

    That's how i saw it. Self Preservation.
    i think, Life was created by similar means on various planets. The Star-map invitation was a point where if the 'child' life-form's created by the engineers were ever to to evolve and develop space travel, then they would be a threat to not only the engineers but other 'child' lifeforms on other worlds which were still evolving.
    The star-map pointed to a planet which was not the true location of the engineers, and far out of the way of other planets to stumble across, but a planet where, if found, resident engineers could 'take care' of the visiting party, and immediately fly off with a range of biological weapons to destroy the world they came from to prevent any further exploration of space by that child race.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #4

    G17RDY said: View Post
    That's how i saw it. Self Preservation.
    i think, Life was created by similar means on various planets. The Star-map invitation was a point where if the 'child' life-form's created by the engineers were ever to to evolve and develop space travel, then they would be a threat to not only the engineers but other 'child' lifeforms on other worlds which were still evolving.
    The star-map pointed to a planet which was not the true location of the engineers, and far out of the way of other planets to stumble across, but a planet where, if found, resident engineers could 'take care' of the visiting party, and immediately fly off with a range of biological weapons to destroy the world they came from to prevent any further exploration of space by that child race.
    Since they apparently have no problem spending MILLIONS of years in these planet seeding operations, why not just send a ship by the planets every few hundred years or so and see if there are any man made satellites or radio broadcasts or something that indicates the level of advancement, and if they dont' like it then nuke the planet from orbit, just to be sure? It's not like they don't have plenty of time on their hands.

    No, sorry, the Engineers have the most inefficient methodology of science in the history of scifi.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #5

    Personally my take on it was that he seeded life on earth and it was a new experiment for them to create life rather than just terraform planets

    They checked on us every now and then, but this promptly stopped 2000 years ago at the advent of Christianity , when they abandoned us as a lost cause and decided to eliminate us with the bio weapon ( remember they were headed for us with the bio weapon) possibly due to us creating our own gods or due to this being the start of global religious wars?

    The rest is in the film
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #6

    After seeing the film I wondered if the engineer from the beginning of the film was a rogue engineer(s) that took it upon themselves to try to create life with an ulterior motive than the rest of the engineers. Thus making the other engineers trying to clean up they're mess by trying to destroy Earth.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #7

    I assumed the engineer was being left behind, and just so happened to fall into the river, which allowed for some of the DNA to begin seeding the place...That way the creation of man wasn't on purpose, which would allow them the motive to go "fix" that "mistake".
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #8

    I think it was explicitly deliberate. The ritualistic way in which he did it and the place he chose
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #9

    Joy, another Prometheus thread...

    If they were waiting for humanity to advance to a certain level of technology before killing them, why create them in the first place?

    If creating them was an accident that they were going to correct, why continually visit and teach them?
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #10

    They made us , we messed up
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #11

    I thought they created life on earth for no other reason than to be hosts for the black goo. They needed life to exist on earth in order to mutate it with the black goo and make their finished product.

    The only other idea was what Holloway said to David. We made androids because we could. Maybe the engineers made humans for no reason at all other than they could. It wasn't anything humans did. There was no mistake followed by judgement or punishment. It's just what they do.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #12

    rodneyfaile said: View Post
    I thought they created life on earth for no other reason than to be hosts for the black goo. They needed life to exist on earth in order to mutate it with the black goo and make their finished product.
    See, that doesn't make sense because at their level of technical expertise they could create us as finished products instead of seeding a planet with some single celled organisms and then wait BILLIONS of years for man to come about. Sorry, it's just stupid science on the part of a writer that is clearly a scientific illiterate. Hell, they could spend 50 million years working on creating us in a lab and STILL save a lot of time.

    Do NOT excuse bad writing!
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    Kerr Avon said: View Post
    See, that doesn't make sense because at their level of technical expertise they could create us as finished products instead of seeding a planet with some single celled organisms and then wait BILLIONS of years for man to come about. Sorry, it's just stupid science on the part of a writer that is clearly a scientific illiterate. Hell, they could spend 50 million years working on creating us in a lab and STILL save a lot of time.

    Do NOT excuse bad writing!
    The filmmakers didn't write that. I did.

    They made a movie that stirred everyones imagination, instead of summing everything up in 2 hours. I like that. You seem to like repeating how you hate it, so be thankful they gave you something to hate on.

    This story is far from over. I cant wait for the sequel to see how close or far off we all are. Im sure new questions will arise as well. Fun stuff.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #14

    Kerr Avon said: View Post
    See, that doesn't make sense because at their level of technical expertise they could create us as finished products instead of seeding a planet with some single celled organisms and then wait BILLIONS of years for man to come about. Sorry, it's just stupid science on the part of a writer that is clearly a scientific illiterate. Hell, they could spend 50 million years working on creating us in a lab and STILL save a lot of time.

    Do NOT excuse bad writing!

    Maybe they wanted to make dinosaur planet for tourist vists and oops, that asteroid screwed everything up and caused humans instead. They gotta go back and make dinosaurs again.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #15

    SithLord said: View Post
    Let's go back 2000 years. A single engineer is dropped off on the moon by its ship in the opening sequence.
    ? The Engineer at the beginning of the film was one Earth, not the Moon, and it was billions of years ago prior to life on Earth, which the Engineer created through his sacrifice. Am I not understanding what you meant here?
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #16

    Bryancd said: View Post
    ? The Engineer at the beginning of the film was one Earth, not the Moon, and it was billions of years ago prior to life on Earth, which the Engineer created through his sacrifice. Am I not understanding what you meant here?
    There is no evidence that is billions of years in the past. Given the fast rate which the black goo made mutations, I highly doubt that if the Engineer seeded the earth it was more than 40,000 years ago. Rather, I think the DNA chains we see would join together to form a rapid evolving advanced life. i.e. humans

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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #17

    Life is a big part of the geological record going back billions of years.
    It's not it's own record unto itself. It impacts all kinds of things.
    So no matter how potent the goop, it couldn't accelerate that too.
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #18

    I came to this conclusion:
    I like goldfish. My kids like goldfish. We have one in a tank right now. If that goldfish crawled out of it's tank, crawled into my room, and asked me the meaning of life, you can be darn sure I'd step on that mother f'er and flush it before my wife could ask what was going on.
    Maybe the engineer saw humans where they should never have been and realized he'd better do something about it quick!
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #19

    But would you stomp it after teaching it to read and leaving it a map to your bedroom?
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    Jun 25, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #20

    SSGT Kitten said: View Post
    There is no evidence that is billions of years in the past. Given the fast rate which the black goo made mutations, I highly doubt that if the Engineer seeded the earth it was more than 40,000 years ago. Rather, I think the DNA chains we see would join together to form a rapid evolving advanced life. i.e. humans

    Charlie
    Based on interviews, I feel pretty confidant that the intent was to portray this as primordial Earth. I appreciate your theory but that wasn't what the movie suggested.
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    Jun 26, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #21

    rodneyfaile said: View Post
    I thought they created life on earth for no other reason than to be hosts for the black goo. They needed life to exist on earth in order to mutate it with the black goo and make their finished product.

    The only other idea was what Holloway said to David. We made androids because we could. Maybe the engineers made humans for no reason at all other than they could. It wasn't anything humans did. There was no mistake followed by judgement or punishment. It's just what they do.
    I like that
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    Jun 26, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #22

    Bryancd said: View Post
    Based on interviews, I feel pretty confidant that the intent was to portray this as primordial Earth. I appreciate your theory but that wasn't what the movie suggested.
    alot of interviews ive read say that the opening sequence is not earth at all....so whatev...p.s. dinosaurs.....
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    Jun 27, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #23

    morrris99 said: View Post
    I came to this conclusion:
    I like goldfish. My kids like goldfish. We have one in a tank right now. If that goldfish crawled out of it's tank, crawled into my room, and asked me the meaning of life, you can be darn sure I'd step on that mother f'er and flush it before my wife could ask what was going on.
    Maybe the engineer saw humans where they should never have been and realized he'd better do something about it quick!
    What?? No way I would step on that mother*ucker...

    I'd begin by saying I am Goldfish Jesus and that I am in charge of his life. He would have to see to it not to upset the balance of things.

    After gasping his last breath I'd remind him that even though he was a talking fish, he shouldn't have left his waterworld without a breathing apparatus.
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    Jun 27, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #24

    mez7 said: View Post
    alot of interviews ive read say that the opening sequence is not earth at all....so whatev...p.s. dinosaurs.....
    Scott has said it may or may not be Earth but I think clearly it is Earth. Dinosaurs are cool....
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    Jun 28, 2012 - Re: The Biology and Premise of Prometheus: SPOILERS #25

    I don't think the jockeys we see on LV-223 are the part of the same group we seeding the earth at the start of the movie. The ones at the start wear robes and use different spacecraft (classic flying saucer by the looks of it). The ones we see later seem to be fused with their armor/ flight suits, and use the the spacecraft we all recognise and love!

    One group creates, the other destroys. Possibly even that the space jockeys don't agree with the engineers' plans of seeding worlds, which could explain why the jockey black goo seemed to behave differently from the engineer goo

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