rkpetersen said:
thats kind of a bummer
rkpetersen said:
thats kind of a bummer
planet said:
Based on what I have seen on the show many times the phones are fake...
best one being when the duffus in the toupe goes out to call his buddy to ell him they won their costumes from LOST, why go out when a phone is right there......
I'll let that go based on needing the number from his cell
ok
but there are several other times that the minute the bidding is over they all hang up the phones immediately without saying anything into them, which means there is no one there and they are for show
what I find most funny about the second season is that they are trying to portray themselves as less harsh and only out for their 30% by doing a few kind acts but in all its obvious all they do is flip things and throw out the line that they hope one day these pieces may end up on public display
if they really had that hope then they would have a museum to have items in a month or two at a time as part of the consignment but they dont, Im sure that is due in part to some legal issues with charging admission to see things that being to anul retentive studios like WB but it would be the perfect way to justify their company, would get pieces out to the public eye and it would make buyer viewing a cinch
I've been to PIH many times over the years, always liked brian and a few of the others, only met Joe for a minute
so, I'll hope along with the rest that more pieces turn up so we get to at least see them on the show and possibly a chance to preview them in LA or Augora~
did you happen to see how Profiles offered to buy the props from people out right instead
of going for the auction? that was interesting .
a few people should have gone for the auction especially the guy joe bought the riddler stunt cane from, he got killed on that. The guy had no clue what that thing was worth or was that all staged ? oh well they had me fooled sort of lol.
Does anyone happen to know if its coming back it was a very short season ?
Do these phones on the TV show 'ring'? That's not really how PIH does phone bids... Sure, I suppose you can call in all of a sudden if you decide you have to have something (but they'd have to know who you are, they won't just take bids from anyone that calls their number...), but 99% of their 'phone bidding' are pre-arranged bidders that want to bid on a specific item over the phone. They give PIH their phone number, and PIH _calls them_ a few lots before the one they want and handle the bidding at the appropriate time. Joe himself frequently handles the phone bids for the really big ticket items (or maybe it's certain clients he deals with, not sure, but he's always on the phone taking bids during the auctions...) It's not like a call center 'with lines open and operators standing by'...
I'm pretty sure everything you see on the TV show is a glorified stereotype of what people want an auction to look like... I almost want to watch one episode now just to see what everyone is talking about...
I guess the Darth Vader that couldnt sell as a full costume finally sold as just a head and just unit....for 90k.
If I had the same collection I had back in the 1990's Id be living in Beverly hills right now...lol.
Normal auctions have the phone help calling the buyers, not the buyer calling in because it would be based on calling the buyer when that particular item comes up
I'd believe heavily that your seeing a recreation of the auction for the show... it would explain why the same people are in ever episode buying... its rarely someone new....
There's some app. that let's you watch the bidding as it happens in your browser. Don't know the addr. off the top of my head though.planet said:
Wow, that Al Williamson / Zanart lithograph of X-Wing pilot Luke (Lot# 181, catalog page 144) went for $1600 when was expected for $300-500?!
The three pieces originally offered in that series included X-Wing Luke, Darth Vader, and Stormtroopers. There's one of the Vaders listed on eBay right now for $400 Buy-It-Now + shipping.
what's the buyers premium
I don't feel that asking a question, based on your actions both public and private is "embarrassing myself." It was simply a question. You have been the unwavering flag-bearer for Profiles for a number of years; you posted up a thread, people asked questions, you responded, then Fong makes a clear rebuttal on his blog with you responding to his blog post almost instantaneously. I believe most people can see where it might appear that you prompted Fong's blog post.MoviePropCollector said:
With that being said, I did chat with Fong this morning and he said that was NOT the case and it was not you that prompted his blog post. If you feel that the incorrect conclusion I made needs an apology, then consider this my apology.
I've been to a couple of their live auctions, just to see what went on. One WAS taped for the show, but I never saw it, so I don't know how it was edited. And at one of the auctions, yes, at least one consignor was there. And he was very happy at how the sale of his pieces went. He kept giving me thumbs up signs.
I am a relative neophite when it comes to auctions. Just my observations......
Gene
PS- Jason, if I had a case of JarJar figures, I think I would just shoot myself......
Well, that suggest you went recently, I haven't been to one since they started the show, so things might have been different... I went to one at Universal Studios, that one had cameras all over the place, but I think that was before the show was announced... And I don't think they filmed the bidders much, it was usually the items, the auctioneer, and some celebrity guests.GKvfx said:
When you were there, were they filming professionally for the show, or did you just see a camera or two recording? They video record every auction for legal reasons (proof of bidder identity, stuff like that), but not for broadcast on TV. Did you have to sign or agree to a waiver of some kind indicating you were okay with your image being used on TV? I think that's required if they intend to use the footage for a show.
Consignors do show up I'm sure, I was just saying they weren't sitting at a special table screaming and yelling and bouncing in their seats every time and item of theirs sold... That's the impression I get of the show from the descriptions posted here...Every time I've been there, I've never seen anyone give a sign that they were the ones selling a particular item (although I have seen the auctioneer occasionally look at someone to see if they can sell something that hasn't met the reserve... So sometimes one or two might be there.)
The first one I went to was at their office and wasn't filmed. That was the one where a lot of Stan Winston's stuff and stuff from BOSS Film was sold off. While not fancy, it was a complicated setup, with people at phones and computers.
The second one was in Dec of 2010 - it was at the theater over on Wilshire - the Saban. That was done for the show. I signed a consent form and they had a few cameras there covering all of the action and interviewing people. I didn't feel I needed to be interviewed - i wasn't bidding, and i didn't want to represent my friend whose lots I was checking in on. Other than the setting, it appeared like any other auction. The camera/TV people were in the back or off to the sides, trying to be as unobtrusive as possible. No one yelling 'cut', no one asking for a do over. It looked like they were just filming an auction - that's all.
Gene
If you are collecting PROPS as an investment, you should really seek professional financial help, and possibly professional mental help as well.
Memory and enthusiasm fade over time. Sure, some items fetch hefty $$ now, but if your GRANDKIDS try and sell it? No one will care what it is...
Oh come on its not that bad is itBrundelFly said:
I don't know about that... I've been witness to people spending a ton of money on some horribly stupid things, and none of them were props. Be sure to remind anyone that thought dropping $50k or more on a facelift that makes them look cartoonishly deformed was a good idea. Heck, a lady at a fundraiser I was at recently had her boobs ratcheted up so often that they're practically shoulder pads now, but I'm sure she thinks that they were a good investment, too. How about people that thought buying real estate at the top of the housing bubble was a good idea? And the list goes on and on. =PBrundelFly said:
If anything, collecting props often makes more sense than a lot of the nutty things that those with a few coins in their pocket choose to spend it on.
Rik1138 said:
Do these phones on the TV show 'ring'? That's not really how PIH does phone bids... Sure, I suppose you can call in all of a sudden if you decide you have to have something (but they'd have to know who you are, they won't just take bids from anyone that calls their number...), but 99% of their 'phone bidding' are pre-arranged bidders that want to bid on a specific item over the phone. They give PIH their phone number, and PIH _calls them_ a few lots before the one they want and handle the bidding at the appropriate time. Joe himself frequently handles the phone bids for the really big ticket items (or maybe it's certain clients he deals with, not sure, but he's always on the phone taking bids during the auctions...) It's not like a call center 'with lines open and operators standing by'...
I'm pretty sure everything you see on the TV show is a glorified stereotype of what people want an auction to look like... I almost want to watch one episode now just to see what everyone is talking about...
Well when one of the main characters on the show is on the phone the
auctioneer will say Joe has the bid and Joe will act or is talking with a bidder
and he will raise his hand .
He is always on the phone with a player . The people are on the phone with the bidders already when the auction starts it seems like they are talking about a game plan of course, Joe and the others are trying to get the phone clients to go up .
Unbelievable Art. You find out you were wrong as I said early on and you post the above? Since you did, I would be more than happy to respond.Art Andrews said:
Show me where you asked a question in your first post mentioning me.Art Andrews said:
You didn't just "ask a question" Art and you know it. You inferred I had something to do with Fong's haxbee post based on your untrue assumptions and you were wrong.
As for embarrassing yourself, you have, and still continue to. The chain of events is very simple to understand. I made an informational post about the Dreier auction totals. The thread went way off topic starting with post #11 mentioning jdebord's article. I didn't "answer any questions" and no "questions" were put to me. You then post your original incorrect assumption about me. I tell you you're wrong. You come back with another wise crack. I again tell you you're wrong. You then finally contact Fong and he corroborates what I told you twice in two separate posts. Instead of just saying, "I checked things and you were right Jim, I'm sorry", you come back now with more snide remarks, name calling, and additional excuses.
I write about movie props, collecting, behind the scenes movie info, and similar entertainment subject matter. Articles have been about Disney, Comic Con, Stan Winston Studios/Legacy Effects, KNBEFX, Propworx, Heritage Auctions, ScreenUsed, Profiles in History, Bonhams, Christies, Premier Props, Juliens, etc, which did not involve "unwavering flag-bearing" of any kind.Art Andrews said:
Are other media outlets such as ABC, CBS, NBC, REUTERS, The Associate Press, The Huffington Post, The Today Show, Oprah Winfrey and others who mention Profiles, "unwavering flag-bearers" too? (<--- that is asking a question, as the sentence ends with a question mark)
I would never call you or anyone else "unwavering flag-bearers" for interviewing Doug Dreier, Joe Maddalena, Stephen Lane, etc, at Comic Con 2012. I interviewed them as well and know that is not the case.
It would also be preposterous for anyone to call you, your article writers, and interviewers "unwavering flag-bearers" for interviewing the cool company, WETA, one of your advertisers, HERE and HERE, or the equally cool Sideshow Collectibles in articles, ads, and mentions.
Untrue. Did you actually read all of this thread Art? (<--- also a question).Art Andrews said:
I posted an informational thread about the Dreier auction total and did not respond to any of the posts that totally changed the subject of the thread after that. I only commented when you made your incorrect conclusions regarding myself.
My reader response to Fong had nothing to do with therpf or this thread. It had everything to do with what I read in Fong's post about the subject. My response is very clear about the negativity in general of some in this hobby and I mention that Stacey Roman is one of the best at his job (auctioneer). That's it.
The added fact that Fong verified this in your contact with him further supports what I have said from the beginning. Why you thought I had anything to do with Fong's article is due to your admittedly making incorrect assumptions about me without verifying your facts.
Regardless, all of this could have been easily avoided. You could have contacted me via pm or emails as you have done in the past, and you most certainly should have contacted Fong before making your "incorrect conclusions" about me. Instead, you contact Fong after you did your damage.
Your making additional excuses not only embarrasses you, it's pretty sad.
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I would actually say the opposite to almost every sentence you wrote. Not that I believe it's the right thing but that's where the whole prop collecting world is going. Kind of like modern art or even graffiti collectors.BrundelFly said:
As far as memory and enthusiasm fading over time, man I would've loved to be around when they were throwing out 2001 stuff....or even better Wizard of Oz bricks! I might be living in Malibu now.
Dave
Correct. IF you were able to get the stuff for cheap/free and it was considered "iconic". But, if you are buying stuff at Profiles (or Christies, or Butterfields, or....etc) today and expecting to flip it for a profit - I think you are taking a risk, simply because you are paying retail (plus).autoprops713 said:
Certain films are timeless, and almost anything from them will increase in value - 2001, Oz, Star Wars. But a lot of films are fads. And fads have the danger of turning on themselves very quickly.
A friend of mine happened to get into collecting items from a TV show back in the late 80's - after it had been off the air for a period of years. Managed to pick up some key items relatively cheap. He resold them at a substantial profit (like help with the mortgage or remodel or new car type-profit). But he bought from private owners and sold at auction. How many times do you think the price can be doubled on stuff? At auction?
Risky......
Gene
Logically I would agree with you Gene but look at these prices.They may not double or triple but I can't believe how high they go from year to year. The growth percentage is still way better than my real-estate or 401k investments that's for sure. Maybe the marketing done by the auction houses makes a difference? More and more high end collectors world wide are aware of an item...demand goes up....prices go up. I agree that it will have to peak at some point but I don't see it being a bubble burst type thing.
Dave
Beanie-babies.... Nuff said
I think this question comes up a lot and has always been answered best "buy what you love". Investing in anything is gambling and props are no exception. Some things will go up, some will go down (spank you captain obvious). At the end of the day ANYTHING is only worth what someone is willing to pay. If you can make educated moves and buy low/sell high good on you. No different than the stock market. If you just start buying stuff willy nilly at high retail thinking there is no limit... you probably should brush up on your Wal-Mart greeting skills as the retirement odds aren't in your favor.
I really enjoy their show and have seen every episode. Love seeing what the props sell for.
I was interested in the Superman green crystal but my max was $10k and it ended up selling for around $23k.
I am surprised that some of the stuff does not sell for more...I am also a little nervous on how authentic some of their pieces are, plus worried how these props look in person. Wish I lived in the area to visit.
Agreed. My issue with PIH is that many pieces are being presented as originals without any information on provenance/authenticity. Given numerous cases of items finally being pulled from auction as they were replicas I am really careful in selecting the items I bid on.Gruson said:
That being said the variety and overall quality of items sold by PIH is quite amazing, I guess you just need to do your homework before deciding to bid and be really disciplined in how you bid (never exceed your max).
Actually yes, it's exactly that bad. Or much worse, as many props will substantially lose value during your own lifetime, never mind your kids or grandkids. Collecting props as an investment is truly insane and reflects unrealistic optimism and poor judgment.planet said:
Oh come on its not that bad is it
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