Either that or he's cleaned them up. He's told me he doesn't do the old warts look that we all love. He says that if his products were all warped, lumpy etc they would get sent back. I've tried telling him otherwise but he doesn't listen. But you may well be right. We all know the armour isn't from original moulds.
but those dont look accidental...they look like an intentional detail
I'll ask him. But you are right they are on all the originals and not on his new helmets.....and they do look part of the original mould. Strange?
Another silly question: Do the original Hero face plate's show the dimple in the tears?
Isnt that what we're discussing?
Sorry Onigiri,
sskunky's pic showed a background lid with the tear design & then went on to mention "all the originals" had this feature.
The topic then went onto AA's new range of offerings. I just wondered if it was on the screen used Hero faceplates aswell. Thats all!
apology for not making my post clear & going OT.
As far as I'm aware the hero face plates are the background stunt faceplates but with the teeth and screw holes on the ears filled in with blutac when vac formed. There was no need to make a separate mould for a couple if helmets. At least that's how we made them when I had a play on his former.
Ok I have an ap and Gino v2 or 3 whatever his latest offerings were , both in abs as are the ainsworth ones. Both these have the remnants of the tear detail but it is not obviously present. I also have the ata works and te and again there is remnants but no obvious detail these are both made from hips. Finally I have an uknown hdpe which is from the Dave m helmet which has the original tear detail as in the pox above. So my conclusion is that some plastics such as abs and hips don't pick up detail as well when pulled over the mold when vacforming. All these helmets have lineage from screen used stunt helmets but the detail varies from plastic to plastic. The hdpe I have is a mirror image of the hdpe showm above.
Unfortunately the moulds you speak of above have been altered so much in the past years to contain the tear detail or not depending on whether or not the sellers wanted you to ave the detail nothing conclusive can be attained from replicas.
but that wouldn´t explain why the hero ears only have three bumps insted of four?!sskunky said:
The molds were cleaned up and repaired for when he pulled the hero helmets. They had likely suffered some damage, which caused some rework.
You're right, I had forgotten about the Ear bumps. Well maybe they had different ears? I don't know nor pretend to know all the answers. The faceplate makes sense, I can't see the point of making two face moulds but maybe different ear moulds? I'll see if I can find out.
Agreed.Too Much Garlic said:
Hero faceplates and background have more differences than just the amount of teeth. The hero ears and back cap differ as well.
A major immediate difference is the bumpy eye socket was smoothed to make it much more aesthetically pleasing on the heros.
The background, heros and TIE helmets all had the tear features as did Liz Moores original sculpt. The TIE helmets having hero style faceplates.
Jedimaster I think the detail on your HDPE is present because the faceplate on those helmets descends from the 'set for stun' laser scan helmet not the DaveM helmet. The detail was removed from the moulds that TE had from the DaveM helmet hence most fan helmets do not have it. Not sure why in the review of the helmet this feature was flagged up as some great piece of evidence to make the helmet legit - which it clearly is- It is present on a few other casts that are kicking about as well.
This is a brilliant stromtrooper find and great thread can we not turn it into an Andrew Ainsworth thread guys please
Chris
Jedimaster I think the detail on your HDPE is present because the faceplate on those helmets descends from the 'set for stun' laser scan helmet not the DaveM helmet. The detail was removed from the moulds that TE had from the DaveM helmet hence most fan helmets do not have it. Not sure why in the review of the helmet this feature was flagged up as some great piece of evidence to make the helmet legit - which it clearly is
This is a brilliant stromtrooper find and great thread can we not turn it into an Andrew Ainsworth thread guys please
Chris[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info thats most interesting. Do you know who did the laser scan and produced the hdpe in question?
and i agree no more ainsworth.
If I am correct about your helmet the HDPE should be grey in colour?jedimaster said:
The scan was done by TE and Mike Verta I think originally for the toy company Gentle Giant. Don't know all the ins and outs of who done what but that subject is about as volatile as the Andrew Ainsworth one
TE made a fibreglass version of the scanned helmet and then I believe TE made a faceplate mould based on the scan - which was a really nice faceplate. I think MrLaws also made helmets using the 'set for stun' facplate scan and he sharpened up some details including the tear features.
I think that is correct information - if not I am sure somebody will pipe up and set the record straight
Chris
I sure wish an original undersuit neckseal 'vest' would finally surface. Would love to see exactly what was going on there... Nice to see these pics too!
Ghost Host said:
I think there is an original neckseal and undersuit with John's (board name stormtrooper) original ROTJ suit. It comprised of ROTJ armour with some ANH / ESB bits. I would think they would have reused the under suits and neck seals and if not they would have at least copied from the ANH / ESB ones.
With his suit the boots were ANH, thermal detonator ANH / ESB and blaster was ESB.
There is a pic of it lying on the bed here but unfortunately you cannot see much.
ORIGINAL RotJ STORMTROOPER
Cheers Chris
I thought the ROTJ neckseal's were altered a red sash type thing? I could have been miss informed.
I agree with Ghost Host it would be a great finaly see one. Does anyone know if any soft parts came along with this Armour? also any more pic's?.
Well if you are correct then John has an original ANH / ESB style neck seal and soft partsbagpus3 said:
As I said it is on the bed in the picture with the armour on the bed and it looks all black to me.
Cheers Chris
Yep the costume came with an all-black cotton undersuit and black cotton gloves... no neck seal though. With the O2 cannister, blaster, holster and boots being TESB, who knows what parts the costumind department cobbled together? I'm sure they never imagined Star Wars fans would be discussing the pedigree of these verious parts all these years latervoice in the crowd said:
Well if you are correct then John has an original ANH / ESB style neck seal and soft parts
As I said it is on the bed in the picture with the armour on the bed and it looks all black to me.
Cheers Chris
Oh, and back on-topic... doesn anyone know which 'major auction house' snagged this original ANH suit, and if they plan to auction it anytime soon?
Profiles maybe?
Cheers,
John
swdvds@yahoo.com
As far as I know it hasn't been sold. The owner has gone quiet. I think he has got all het up with the constant badgering. I might be wrong but that what I have heard.
I think if I'm not mistaken that the undersuits were from a company call Renaissance dancewear and they still sell them.
AFAIK Renaissance Dancewear provided the undersuits for the Special Edition stormtroopers, and possibly the LFL Tour troopers, but I don't think they made undersuits for the original Trilogy troopers?sskunky said:
Cheers,
John
swdvds@yahoo.com
You might be right there John. The mystery continues.:
True.sskunky said:
There`s still hope for us all ... I suggest everyone here buys a lottery ticket this weekend.
Well apparently some lucky blighter from Blighty (U.K. for the former colonists LOL) has scooped the £113,000,000 Euromillions jackpot last night!CatfoodRob said:
True.
There`s still hope for us all ... I suggest everyone here buys a lottery ticket this weekend.
This is about US$180,404,500 according to xe.com, for the benefit of our US members
Unfortunately it wasn't me... I *just* won a measly £18.90 on my ticket... grumble, grumble. Oh well, it might be a quiet day when / if the ANH armour is auctioned and.... nah, £18.90 just wouldn't cut-it!
Cheers,
John
swdvds@yahoo.com
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