StarTrek expert Alec Peters found the hero Sword of Kahless in LasVegas and posted about it a few days ago. Cool. I bet that sells for a pile of cash at their next auction. The hero and everything.
StarTrek expert Alec Peters found the hero Sword of Kahless in LasVegas and posted about it a few days ago. Cool. I bet that sells for a pile of cash at their next auction. The hero and everything.
I think you misunderstand. He didn't "find" anything and the hero Sword of Kahless certainly isn't going to be sold by the studio. Propworx has merely been working with the studio on cataloging their Star Trek assets and liquidating unneeded items which used to be associated with the Star Trek Experience in Vegas--most of the stuff they've sold is stuff made specifically for the Experience, which was not used on the actual show. Case in point is that Klingon throne which Alec mentions will be for sale--not screen used, just an extra made for display in Vegas. The Sword of Kahless will no doubt stay in the studio's own archives.woofpug said:
Although, judging from your previous posts, you're probably just being sarcastic. Or is that "sardonic" instead of "sarcastic"? "Sardonocastic" perhaps?
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Where was that sword used? It certainly doesn't look anything like the one the TNG episode where it was found, or the DS9 'Sword of Kahless' episode...
Most obvious is that the Klingon insignia is not cut out on the screen-used one...
Is this from another episode maybe? Just not sure where it's from... Or is it a hero made for the Experience?
Rik1138 said:
Good memory--I hadn't even noticed.I guess Alec was mistaken and that's just a replica made for the Experience.
Yeah that is not the Screen-used sword, not even the same design
iirc the Hero is already in someones collection
Well, the shape certainly looks identical to the one used in the DS9 episode "The Sword of Kahless".
However, the screen used one had much more intricate patterns on it, plus the Klingon symbol was not cut out.
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screen used or not, it's a nice looking piece of work.
Indeed !Zevlar Rayco said:
Don't get me wrong I have met Gil 5 times and I like his work but, "The Klingon Armorer" and designer of Klingon knives seen in the movies
That is an insult to the ones who DID MAKE and DESIGN them
KingJames said:
That is exactly how I have mine displayed stand and all!
Alan Castillo said:
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I did some research and I found somebody named Dragon Dronet was responsible for etching the designs. I guess those designs represent people's names. Maybe Gil came up with the shape?apollo said:
Don't get me wrong I have met Gil 5 times and I like his work but, "The Klingon Armorer" and designer of Klingon knives seen in the movies
That is an insult to the ones who DID MAKE and DESIGN them
Gil had absolutely nothing to do with the Sword of Kahless
Dan Curry designed it iirc and Dragon manufactured it and the stand
Max Cervantes did the Stunt Versions
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For god's sake man ...... PICS !!!!!!!apollo said:
Please
You know me, I would if I could!
What you see in the Screen-cap is EXACTLY what mine looks like.
You know those are Tarq Hooves holding the Sword right?
Alan Castillo said:
For god's sake man ...... PICS !!!!!!!
Please
And why can't you ? You are torturing me !!!
... and that Targ info is rubbing salt into the wound
Sorry bro no Camera.
The tarq thing is little known Dragon told me that one.
As far as torture, you know what is right next to it ODO.
Well a Production made never used appliance!
Alan Castillo said:
And why can't you ? You are torturing me !!!
... and that Targ info is rubbing salt into the wound
I just got back form picking up these assets from Vegas, the Sword is a repro, it was made specifically for the experience as a display piece, was hoping to see a hero, i've held the stunt, but there were ALOAT of other screen used items
This is disappointing newssilverskyes402 said:
I just got back form picking up these assets from Vegas, the Sword is a repro, it was made specifically for the experience as a display piece, was hoping to see a hero, i've held the stunt, but there were ALOAT of other screen used items
James
I know the facts on this. Items were made for the special exhibit, not for the production. And Alec Peters, huh? He's too 'PT Barnum' for...... Not very impressed as others. Sorry, though. You mileage may vary.
I am a bit confused. The Kahless Sword that Alec said was hero is not? Not even used in the show?Primmer said:
Didn't Alec do his homework? An interview he did in Jan 2011 with Propblog Dan discussed his views on authentication and his experience with Star Trek and the auction business. Here are direct quotes of Alec Peters from the publicly available interview.
"So am I trying to bring down my competition? Absolutely not. In fact, we dont have any real competition. We do event auctions for Studios. No one else does that. Outside of our Star Trek auctions, which really are because of my experience there, we only want to work with studios where we know the stuff is real and we can do something special".
"I say the more info the better. The only issue I see is some blogs are simply PR machines and not consumer advocates. Many blogs dont even do enough background to ensure the information they provide is accurate".
"Many blogs dont even do enough background to ensure the information they provide is accurate -.....We need blogs to help make consumers smarter, which is what I have always tried to do with the Star Trek Prop, Costume, & Auction Blog. Education, reliable analysis, and always calling into question fake or fraudulent items".
" The biggest issue is the lack of provenance, and that goes hand-in-hand with the fraud issue. We are somehow expected to take someones word that an item is real when there is no proof offered, no history of the item or its ownership, and simply the statement, trust us. I dont think any prop or costume should be offered without some form of provenance along with an accurate and reliable COA."
"When needed, we work with the Propmaster or Costume Department to confirm screen use (or backup) along with independent confirmation through screen matching and verification through continuity books from the production. We use a matching holographic tagging system for all of our items. That is the level of detail our customers deserve and quite frankly we demand".
Why were none of Alec's or Propworx's level of detail applied when it came to the Sword of Kahless? With his stated experience concerning the Trek franchise how could he make such an amateur mistake about an important Star Trek prop?
Maybe Alec should re word the header of his blog----
"The Internet's premier source for information collecting Star Trek props and costumes".
Well, for what it's worth, all Alec had was a picture of a display that was meant to be showing a Klingon Throne (just happened to have the sword in front of it). It wasn't in his possession, and it isn't meant for sale either, CBS is keeping it. So there was no real reason to go into all kinds of researching detail... He just saw the sword, made a comment to someone at CBS who referred to it as a 'holy grail' (possibly because Alec has mentioned it before...) Even in the blog post the reference to the sword is just a side comment, the post was about the Throne that they are offering forsale.
All you have to do is look at the episode to know it's not the screen used one, but it's still a damn cool prop...
This has nothing to with Propworx, Dan or anything like that. It's was simply a cool picture of some Star Trek The Experience props (some of them are probably screen-used) on a _Star Trek_ blog (again, nothing to with auctions or anything related to Propworx). Is this really the first time you've seen someone make a mistake in a blog post?
Alec is fine... mistakes happen.
Like Rik said this was more about the throne then the Sword
I know him and from what little I have talked with him I know that he would have never listed in Auction that Batleth as the "Hero Sword of Kahless"
Seriously, I work with Alec everyday, and am heading the archive for the CBS project, and yes, he was working off the one photo, then when we found out was a replica made for the experience it was stated so, small mistake, why be judgmental about it? Whatever past issues are posted, he know's his stuff, and would never auction a replica as screen used.
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