*update* Refund Arrived!

**spidermale** · Mar 24, 2008

Ok so Im one of the last people on the list waiting for their product, and SDC had told our go between that I would get my Vader bodysuit "sometime after the holidays." which is approximately one year of waiting this past february. The moderator let me know what they said in december, and apparently SDC hasnt logged on since January. It was reccomended that I contact the authorities, but Im unsure of my next step. At this point its pretty obvious that Im not getting my suit, and the friendly emails have stopped, so I want compensation. I want my money back. In the past, when they stopped communication, as soon as someone posted a SDC ripped me off thread, they came out of hiding to address the issues. So, lets see what happens now.
If only I had known about CostumeJunkie back then, Id be much happier now.

**RPF Support**

**TMP** · Mar 24, 2008

I got one of my 3 peice suits left if your still looking.

As far as Costumejunkie.. I whould not. I think its other guys here have past experience. If your looking for a economical solution then maybe this Phonix Prop guy can do you good costume for the price.

Either way. Its not cool to wait that long without any comunication. Hope it turns out well.

**Max Jenius** · Mar 24, 2008

Well, I am also in the same boat as you. Ordered a helmet from them and have not heard anything back for a long, long time now.

**Fatherless One** · Mar 25, 2008

Contact you credit card company asap (assuming you paid by credit card).

**Jawafive** · Mar 25, 2008

It seems like every couple of months this kind of thread pops up. Maybe a banning is in order.

**peter1701** · Mar 25, 2008

I do know there was a very serious illness that struck right around the begining of the year which took out Angel for a number of months.

**SmilingOtter** · Mar 25, 2008

You might look for them over at
Dewback Wing/ASAP - I know they've posted there before.

**Emeldahay** · Mar 25, 2008

A very familiar thread...sadly.

What will be their excuse this time?

**defstartrooper** · Mar 25, 2008

peter1701 said:

I do know there was a very serious illness that struck right around the begining of the year which took out Angel for a number of months.

What was the excuse the year before ?

**Qui-Gonzalez** · Mar 25, 2008

What bugs me most about these people is the lack of honesty. I can appreciate what they are trying to do, but man up and admit that you are TOO SMALL to handle a large workload and limit yourselves to what you take in. It seems like too often these types of groups have great dreams of avarice and then realize they don't have the means to back up the promises. Then you get work suffering, with things like weeping resin, which I believe was a problem last time. Then you get the businesses not completing orders at all and leaving people in the lurch.

**Apollo** · Mar 25, 2008

I too think it is about time for a ban.

Every 3 months some one has to force an isssue that should have to be never forced.

**Qui-Gonzalez** · Mar 25, 2008

apollo said:

I too think it is about time for a ban.

Every 3 months some one has to force an isssue that should have to be never forced.

They are just one of many groups. You would think the banning would be a lesson to others on what NOT to do, yet every few months, we have some other group doing the exact same things. I agree it should never have to be forced, yet it needs to be REINFORCED.

**spidermale** · Mar 26, 2008

Y'know I feel Bad, I know that Angel is seriously ill but I entered into a contract that wasn't fulfilled. General Mayhem has contacted me and said as soon as the funds can be allocated, I will get a refund. TMP, can you send me a PM? I have a few questions.

**Funky Jedi** · Mar 26, 2008

spidermale said:

General Mayhem has contacted me and said as soon as the funds can be allocated, I will get a refund.

Okay, I promised myself I'd stay out of this round of the ever occuring "Shadow Dale Owes me" threads but the above comment infuriates me!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY?!?!
You pay and the money should not be touched until you start the project. Did they spend it without delivering product??? The funds should stay put just for this reason. The response SHOULD have been, " My apologies, but it looks as if due to an illness in the family, I will not be able to complete your project for the next 6 months. I'll be happy to refund your money today or if you prefer, I can work on it over the next several weeks when I find time and perhaps it will be finished sooner. Which ever you prefer. I apologize for any inconvienience."

**cerillo** · Mar 26, 2008

I don't know if this is possible, but maybe the Mods can set a Limit as to how many Projects a Seller can take on for customers at any given time. Starting with the Biggest Projects to smallest. Here's some examples:

Armor, Swords, Blasters and Guns- 5 Per Project

Models- 10 Per Project

Printed Shirts- 30, Per Project and so on.... Please keep in mind this is only an example. I'm sure most of you would agree to something along these lines because for 1. It will keep the project in check and 2. It won't overburden the Seller.

There should also be something of a Gold Member's Club. This would be for Seller's who've been here for quite some time and have earned the respect of the Members here.

I didn't mean to ramble on, but it seems that every other month this happens. Someone buys something and they never get the item in question, and then these threads pop up. Please feel free to chime in. C

**Jumpin Jax** · Mar 26, 2008

Can't take on the projects, don't offer.
Ban time.

**Onigiri** · Mar 27, 2008

unfortunately this ALWAYS seems to be the case. Whether its Katarra, Joe K., Shadowdale, Wolfmorgan etc the story is ALWAYS the same. Take on too much and INSTANT serious illness. It never fails and Ive come to understand that anyone who offers fannish costumes has an underdeveloped immune system and is 11 times liklier to fall prey to serious illness (which you will notice often spreads to their computers which prevents them from responding to emails and provide updates).
My conclusion? Guns dont kill people, making costumes kills people.
Seriously..the pattern is unmistakable.
Costumer starts out by offering a good quality product at a good price
Customers say great things about experience with costumer
Customers send Costumers lots of money for pretty things
Costumer falls behind
Customers complain
Mystery Illness revealed to be the cause. Both costumer and computer have developed reply debilitating diseases.

**Funky Jedi** · Mar 27, 2008

Onigiri said:

unfortunately this ALWAYS seems to be the case. Whether its Katarra, Joe K., Shadowdale, Wolfmorgan etc the story is ALWAYS the same. Take on too much and INSTANT serious illness. It never fails and Ive come to understand that anyone who offers fannish costumes has an underdeveloped immune system and is 11 times liklier to fall prey to serious illness (which you will notice often spreads to their computers which prevents them from responding to emails and provide updates).
My conclusion? Guns dont kill people, making costumes kills people.
Seriously..the pattern is unmistakable.
Costumer starts out by offering a good quality product at a good price
Customers say great things about experience with costumer
Customers send Costumers lots of money for pretty things
Costumer falls behind
Customers complain
Mystery Illness revealed to be the cause. Both costumer and computer have developed reply debilitating diseases.

That's awesome!

**garver76** · Mar 28, 2008

peter1701 said:

I do know there was a very serious illness that struck right around the begining of the year which took out Angel for a number of months.

Peter, the illness struck at the beginning of 2007!! At least that was the constant excuses I got from them. I ended up getting my order, and it was not good at all. I hope you can file legal suit, and that you can recoup some of your money..... I was promised that they would repair my uniform becuase they considered it "unfinished" (yet they sent it anyways) and have not heard a word back from them since.

At the very least they should have made a post saying what was happening.... OR they could shut down their friggin website.... but I'm guessing they are still raking in the dough and love the "free" money. Of course when they get hit by some lawsuits (they are located in NY) they may change their tune....

As I have said before (and been accused of being an ass), if they are too sick to do their job they need to get a different job. Just as a clarification, if you take money from someone and don't deliver the goods promised it is called theft... and that is very illegal....

**Qui-Gonzalez** · Mar 28, 2008

Onigiri said:

unfortunately this ALWAYS seems to be the case. Whether its Katarra, Joe K., Shadowdale, Wolfmorgan etc the story is ALWAYS the same. Take on too much and INSTANT serious illness. It never fails and Ive come to understand that anyone who offers fannish costumes has an underdeveloped immune system and is 11 times liklier to fall prey to serious illness (which you will notice often spreads to their computers which prevents them from responding to emails and provide updates).
My conclusion? Guns dont kill people, making costumes kills people.
Seriously..the pattern is unmistakable.
Costumer starts out by offering a good quality product at a good price
Customers say great things about experience with costumer
Customers send Costumers lots of money for pretty things
Costumer falls behind
Customers complain
Mystery Illness revealed to be the cause. Both costumer and computer have developed reply debilitating diseases.

That is the funniest ****** I've read today. It does give the other, REPUTABLE, crafters here a bad image to newbies. They start thinking that everyone operates like that.

**Shadow Duchess** · Mar 28, 2008

Garver,
You agreed that we would send you money for shipping the items back to us and we did send that money to you and we didn't hear back from you after that in regards to altering it so, we did contact you and did what you requested. That was even in another thread in this forum and you acknowledged it there that you received it after I posted that it had been sent.
As for me being sick, it's been ongoing for a long time and I was out receiving medical treatment not that it matters to anyone here.

garver76 said:

Peter, the illness struck at the beginning of 2007!! At least that was the constant excuses I got from them. I ended up getting my order, and it was not good at all. I hope you can file legal suit, and that you can recoup some of your money..... I was promised that they would repair my uniform becuase they considered it "unfinished" (yet they sent it anyways) and have not heard a word back from them since.

At the very least they should have made a post saying what was happening.... OR they could shut down their friggin website.... but I'm guessing they are still raking in the dough and love the "free" money. Of course when they get hit by some lawsuits (they are located in NY) they may change their tune....

As I have said before (and been accused of being an ass), if they are too sick to do their job they need to get a different job. Just as a clarification, if you take money from someone and don't deliver the goods promised it is called theft... and that is very illegal....

**Darbycrash** · Mar 28, 2008

Onigiri said:

unfortunately this ALWAYS seems to be the case. Whether its Katarra, Joe K., Shadowdale, Wolfmorgan etc the story is ALWAYS the same. Take on too much and INSTANT serious illness. It never fails and Ive come to understand that anyone who offers fannish costumes has an underdeveloped immune system and is 11 times liklier to fall prey to serious illness (which you will notice often spreads to their computers which prevents them from responding to emails and provide updates).
My conclusion? Guns dont kill people, making costumes kills people.
Seriously..the pattern is unmistakable.
Costumer starts out by offering a good quality product at a good price
Customers say great things about experience with costumer
Customers send Costumers lots of money for pretty things
Costumer falls behind
Customers complain
Mystery Illness revealed to be the cause. Both costumer and computer have developed reply debilitating diseases.

I seem to remember you buying into Wolfmorgan's mystery illness for awhile.

**defstartrooper** · Mar 28, 2008

Sorry i think it does matter to everyone here if you continue to take money from people for goods and not deliver those goods in the timeframe given.
I'm sorry about your health problems and hope you get them resolved soon, i know what it's like to be ill i've had a serious health problem for close to four years now so i have some understanding.
This isn't an isolated incident though is it ? it's cropped up a number of times.

**Emeldahay** · Mar 28, 2008

The RPF`ers are probably paying the medical bills by the sounds of it.

**garver76** · Mar 28, 2008

Shadow Duchess said:

Garver,
You agreed that we would send you money for shipping the items back to us and we did send that money to you and we didn't hear back from you after that in regards to altering it so, we did contact you and did what you requested. That was even in another thread in this forum and you acknowledged it there that you received it after I posted that it had been sent.
As for me being sick, it's been ongoing for a long time and I was out receiving medical treatment not that it matters to anyone here.

It is everyone's business due to the fact you are using it as an excuse to not deliver product on time or at all. And being as many of the RPFers would be potential customers, they should all get to read what is going on.

You say you did as you agreed, yet I still haven't recieved the uniform back from you. I shipped it back to you and never got so much as a "thanks, we got it back and will repair as requested".... After you sent money, I told you it was in the mail, yet you have never sent anything regarding the repairs, or any of the original screen-used uniform pictures / fabric I sent you for reference so you could get the repairs done correctly....

SO back to the real topic here, what is goiong on that you guys offered at least one person a refund... ( which I would have preferred had it been offered to me) and are not delivering product? Give it up and do the right thing.... can't afford to refund everyone? Then ship the friggin product to the people.... can't finish the work cause you are sick? Hire someone to finish it and shut down your website..... it is fraud, theft and just plain dishonest to continue to sell to people.... hell, you told a person not 3 weeks ago that they would get a complete Star Trek uniform order within 10 weeks from payment... how long into this delivery estimate are you going to tell them that you got ill and will be delayed a few days (actually months and months delay)? That is dishonesty... plain and simple.

No More Lies... tell the truth and face the consequences of your crimes....

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