Tron Legacy Costume

pharon66 · 08-16-2010, 10:25 PM

Here is what I have been working on with Rinzler helmet plans. This was made with the reference pics provided here and in the last two trailers.

Here are the side front and back of the helmet. Since I wasn't there at SDCC I can't confirm how accurate this is based on memory. I feel like it's at least 70% right though.

Here is a view of the size it is on a head and the lines of the design.

If anyone who has seen the helmet in person, please let me know if it needs to be modified.

Termin8Anakin · 08-17-2010, 09:16 AM

Man! Such a bounty of information here!

Most standard motorcycle helmets, by their very nature, are way too thick and you'll just end up looking like 'The Stig's Computer World Cousin' ie your head will look huge.
I MIGHT, however, take the visor off one and incorporate it into another helmet.

It may be an issue of Safety Standards between countries, but I think unless you're willing to spend a lot of doe to find a motorcycle helmet with a thinner crumple zone, you won't find anything that will suit.
That said, those aerodynamic hang glider/cycle racing helmets look awesome!

Also, has anyone thought about attempting the technique that Volpin is using for the AWESOME Daft Punk Helmet in this thread??

In terms of EL lighting, wiring is probably the cheapest, although you'll have to find a way around the whole 'it doesn't look like a panel' problem.

Some EL Panels are cuttable, but from what I've seen on overseas websites, they cost a LOT and don't really give you a lot to play with.

EL Tape would be a logical choice too but they're again not much to work with for the cost.

If money is no object, you could just get an EL company to custom make the panels for you.

Personally, I'm going to keep trying with the EL Wire. If anyone else is using EL Wire, please share your stories too!

DangerIMMN · 08-17-2010, 10:35 AM

Pharon66 - those images are amazing! How do you do that?

I'm looking at the helmet now and wondering how someone is supposed to take it off and put it on. Probably the top detaches from the bottom somehow. But that is totally beyond my current engineering abilities.

pharon66 · 08-17-2010, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerIMMN

Pharon66 - those images are amazing! How do you do that?

I'm looking at the helmet now and wondering how someone is supposed to take it off and put it on. Probably the top detaches from the bottom somehow. But that is totally beyond my current engineering abilities.

I'm kind of a photoshop wiz.

But I think we can use Led's and cover them with plastic to diffuse them for the helmets. It would be alot cheaper that way.

I'm sure the helmet works like most. It's more form fitting, but the space at the bottom is enough to push it on your head easily and have a snug fit. Like most helmets, it's full of cushion.

On a kind of unrelated note; If anyone wants an encom employee badge you can get it here:Flynn Lives
You just sign up, use your picture and they send you a free encom I.d.
Here is mine.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6373094_n.jpg

giz · 08-17-2010, 01:32 PM

Would be an interesting helmet to take a stab at...

kenobibale · 08-17-2010, 03:23 PM

hi guys,
ok so i have been thinking about how to wire my the el panels together, clearly wire is going to be a problem since all the panels have to run from various places on my body to the power supply on my back so i was thinking about using curly cable like telephone cable except thinner and smaller but i havent been able to find any online that i can buy in made to measure lengths, does anyone know where i might get some?perhaps im just using the wrong key words in my searches. also do you think it would handle the ac current of the panels?
i think the curly cable is a good idea as it has a bit of movement and stretch in it which i think will come in handy when sitting down or bending joints

thoughts?

MrSinistar · 08-17-2010, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pharon66

On a kind of unrelated note; If anyone wants an encom employee badge you can get it here:Flynn Lives
You just sign up, use your picture and they send you a free encom I.d.
Here is mine.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6373094_n.jpg

Hate to burst your bubble, but they stopped doing that a couple of months ago.

pharon66 · 08-17-2010, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSinistar

Hate to burst your bubble, but they stopped doing that a couple of months ago.

oh,well. Guess everyone else missed out.

DangerIMMN · 08-18-2010, 05:31 PM

Ok, whenever I've made costumes in the past, it was fabric and accessories.

Never plastic or rubber.

Whats the next step(s) for modeling the helmet?

pharon66 · 08-18-2010, 07:08 PM

Well there are many ways to go about this, but I'm going to print this out the get the head in the picture to match the size of my head. From there it's a cardboard mockup. I say if you can't do it in cardboard, you can't do it in much else.

Then I would coat it in polymer clay, like sculpey firm. and sculpt out the details. At that point I bake the clay with a heat gun for 10 min. and Sand it with progressively higher grit sandpaper to make sure it's smooth.

After that I'm not sure if I want to then I make a reverse mold of it with silicone rubber and make a hollow rotocast of that helmet with a fast curing resin
or
cut the mockup into pieces and vacuum form each of those pieces and assemble it later. I'm trying to keep it cheap.
I don't want to spend more than $170 on the helmet, and more than $200 on the costume.

I'll be sure to post pics or create a thread as I'm doing this though.

DangerIMMN · 08-18-2010, 07:58 PM

Sounds simple enough.

My head is probably not the same size of your head. How does one create these cardboard mockups? I see cardboard mockups of Ironman, Predator, all kinds of stuff all over the place on RPF and it seems like there's some formula or program for making these? Hook me up with the cardboard mockup sweetness!

Also, it seems as though its not corrugated cardboard but card stock paper? I assume this because the models I've seen are white like card stock, instead of brown like cardboard.

pharon66 · 08-18-2010, 08:19 PM

They mostly use a program called pepakura to make a paper model.

I'm thinking of winging it. I'm thinking about using currogated cardboard and non currogated cardboard sheets to get the general idea.

Basically like this guy did: kaaskop's Gallery

I'll send you the plans once I figure them out.

DangerIMMN · 08-18-2010, 08:56 PM

THANK YOU - I should have known that sticky was the missing key I was looking for. I'm reading all about it now. How long do you think it will take you to figure out your plans?

pharon66 · 08-18-2010, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerIMMN

THANK YOU - I should have known that sticky was the missing key I was looking for. I'm reading all about it now. How long do you think it will take you to figure out your plans?

1 1/2 - 2 weeks.

DangerIMMN · 08-20-2010, 03:48 PM

So here's another problem/question:

It sounds as though they filmed the lighted costumes in low light and then amped up the costume light in post by turning up the contrast/luminescence/whatever.

Reading that made me think that trying to light the costumes beyond reflective tape (scotchlite) is probably futile. I was thinking about the End of Line Club and the costumed folks in there. If they were going through all the cost and expense of setting up Flynn's arcade and the club, and if they're going to put costumed programs in there, why not give them light-up costumes?

I'm thinking its because the results are disappointing - although, each costume cost thousands of dollars; that could have something to do with it. But it seems as though in moderate light the Elastolite won't show very well. Thoughts?

wondersquid · 08-20-2010, 04:37 PM

So I actually saw Flynn's son's costume and helmet up close. man that suit is crazy. The fabric portions (all the bend points) are silk screened hex pattern on an open weave for stretch. The rest of the costume is a sculpted and molded foam latex body that was glued to a rubber or fabric body suit. The helmet is a fiberglass sculpted piece that has been molded and cast in a clear/bluish tinted resin. The stuff looks cool, but i doubt anyone will ever be able to see all the crazy detail that went into it. The lighting was done in a combination of elements, but it boils down to recessed areas, that the lighting strips (a specially made EL fabric from what I heard) glue to, and then the wiring is glued underneath the foam latex, between that and the body suit. After seeing all this I realize I can make it in foam, but It's not going to look as cool as it could be, and yes, the lighting isn't as bright as it looks in the final picture. I say find some good EL lighting and glue it down to your suit, but then glue over it with something else so it will hold as you bend. You can power it with the battery hidden in the back disc holder, the one I saw is more then big enough for 5 nine volt batteries in there. I love what others are coming up with, I can't start on mine until later in the year, I'm jealous. Of course I should get my disc working first, then worry about the rest of the outfit.

jyhash · 08-20-2010, 10:07 PM

Just a quick thought (as I've been watching this thread for a few weeks), what if you sewed EL Wiring over some reflective tape? Wouldn't that give off as much light as tape or paneling? It would be a bit easier and cheaper than panels or tape. I know it's not screen accurate, but as I said, just a thought.

DangerIMMN · 08-23-2010, 10:33 AM

Maybe it you also layered something translucent over the scotchlite and EL wire to diffuse the glow? Ehh... but that probably wouldn't work unless there was at least a small gap between the reflective tape, EL wire, and the translucent rubber stuff. Something that bulky probably wouldn't work for this kind of skin tight costume...

DAVIDYR1 · 08-23-2010, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wondersquid

So I actually saw Flynn's son's costume and helmet up close. man that suit is crazy. The fabric portions (all the bend points) are silk screened hex pattern on an open weave for stretch. The rest of the costume is a sculpted and molded foam latex body that was glued to a rubber or fabric body suit. The helmet is a fiberglass sculpted piece that has been molded and cast in a clear/bluish tinted resin. The stuff looks cool, but i doubt anyone will ever be able to see all the crazy detail that went into it. The lighting was done in a combination of elements, but it boils down to recessed areas, that the lighting strips (a specially made EL fabric from what I heard) glue to, and then the wiring is glued underneath the foam latex, between that and the body suit. After seeing all this I realize I can make it in foam, but It's not going to look as cool as it could be, and yes, the lighting isn't as bright as it looks in the final picture. I say find some good EL lighting and glue it down to your suit, but then glue over it with something else so it will hold as you bend. You can power it with the battery hidden in the back disc holder, the one I saw is more then big enough for 5 nine volt batteries in there. I love what others are coming up with, I can't start on mine until later in the year, I'm jealous. Of course I should get my disc working first, then worry about the rest of the outfit.

Agreed!
When I first saw the suits in person, and personally inspected all the details and how the suits were made so that we could accurately replicate the movie suits in question..... I wanted to tear my hair out of my head.

That said, I think we managed to incorporate a good if not a great portion of all the details shown...and considering our product is leather in nature, this really created a challenge like never before. We too had to make everything from scratch...even the Disks on the back of the jackets are 100% manufactured by us.
Killer suit designs....just killer!

David

pharon66 · 08-23-2010, 01:45 PM

I thought about screen printing the hex pattern but I didn't know how accurate that would be. Now I know that would work. I found a site once that could print any pattern you designed on any fabric you wanted. I'll find that site again and post it here. I chose Rinzler's suit because it has fewer lights.

Annisse · 08-23-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pharon66

I thought about screen printing the hex pattern but I didn't know how accurate that would be. Now I know that would work. I found a site once that could print any pattern you designed on any fabric you wanted. I'll find that site again and post it here. I chose Rinzler's suit because it has fewer lights.

If you locate the screen printing store can you please send me the link? I used a substitute for the hex print on my Quorra costume. I would like to get it screen printed then replace it on my suit. Would be excellent. Thank you!

~A

Annisse · 08-23-2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerIMMN

So here's another problem/question:

It sounds as though they filmed the lighted costumes in low light and then amped up the costume light in post by turning up the contrast/luminescence/whatever.

Reading that made me think that trying to light the costumes beyond reflective tape (scotchlite) is probably futile. I was thinking about the End of Line Club and the costumed folks in there. If they were going through all the cost and expense of setting up Flynn's arcade and the club, and if they're going to put costumed programs in there, why not give them light-up costumes?

I'm thinking its because the results are disappointing - although, each costume cost thousands of dollars; that could have something to do with it. But it seems as though in moderate light the Elastolite won't show very well. Thoughts?

Exactly. That could be a perfect explanation why the programs at The End of the Line club at SDCC did not have actual lighting on their costumes. It would have cost thousands of dollars to replicate.

I went with 3M Scotchlite 8930 reflective fabric tape myself for my Quorra costume. For one no way do I have the funds for actual lighting and two I need my suit done in less than a week for Dragon Con. I am 85% finished. Even found perfect wedge boots like hers to work with. I am so happy about that.

Just go with Scotchlite everbody. Save yourself some money and the headache.

And trust me, I would never ever do this since I am big on my perfectionism replicating costumes. There are just some things(us poor ppl) can't do as the movies did

.

~A

londonred08 · 08-23-2010, 06:56 PM

Hey Ranom not for anyone who is doing a Quorra suit (On a budget

) I found these leggings at Walmart of all places, they are pretty thick, they also have this cool white stitching on them, I figure if I am really running low on time and money I can buy them and sew my reflective tape over the stiching, it's like a ready to use guideline!

BTW these are the leggings (Walmart has 2 colors, gray and black, I was only able to find a pic of the gray ones):

kaiwalkerz · 08-24-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Annisse

Exactly. That could be a perfect explanation why the programs at The End of the Line club at SDCC did not have actual lighting on their costumes. It would have cost thousands of dollars to replicate.

I went with 3M Scotchlite 8930 reflective fabric tape myself for my Quorra costume. For one no way do I have the funds for actual lighting and two I need my suit done in less than a week for Dragon Con. I am 85% finished. Even found perfect wedge boots like hers to work with. I am so happy about that.

Just go with Scotchlite everbody. Save yourself some money and the headache.

And trust me, I would never ever do this since I am big on my perfectionism replicating costumes. There are just some things(us poor ppl) can't do as the movies did

.

~A

Hello!
And hi everyone too.
I have a question, is Scothchlite white when not lighted? I bought SOLAS and it's extermely bright when lighted, but damn DARK GREY the 90% of the time...

I have plenty of tips and good ways to go for Sam and Quorra's costumes, I wish I posted sooner for you to have them, I've been looking at this thread for weeks. Sorry. Maybe in the future if you are interested to make updates in yours.

Thanks folks, keep researching, you are doing it great! Really!!

mlamb1976 · 08-24-2010, 09:07 PM

I found a supplier of EL tape that can provide 18" x 3" strips (in white) for about $9.50 each. That also comes with a 12V DC inverter.

I'm 6ft tall, and I estimate I'd need at least 16 of those strips to have a complete set (2 per arm - front/back, 2 for the chest, 2 for my back, 4 for each leg - front/back). That puts it at $152 plus shipping.

I can probably get a lower cost per unit if I buy more units at a time. I would post to the junkyard about this, but my account is too new. So please forgive this post.

I'm a total noob when it comes to costume making... I would be willing to trade someone's expertise on the rubber outershell for a good deal on some lights.

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08-16-2010, 10:25 PM	#151
pharon66 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 51	re: Tron Legacy Costume Here is what I have been working on with Rinzler helmet plans. This was made with the reference pics provided here and in the last two trailers. Here are the side front and back of the helmet. Since I wasn't there at SDCC I can't confirm how accurate this is based on memory. I feel like it's at least 70% right though. Here is a view of the size it is on a head and the lines of the design. If anyone who has seen the helmet in person, please let me know if it needs to be modified.

08-17-2010, 09:16 AM	#152
Termin8Anakin Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18	re: Tron Legacy Costume Man! Such a bounty of information here! Most standard motorcycle helmets, by their very nature, are way too thick and you'll just end up looking like 'The Stig's Computer World Cousin' ie your head will look huge. I MIGHT, however, take the visor off one and incorporate it into another helmet. It may be an issue of Safety Standards between countries, but I think unless you're willing to spend a lot of doe to find a motorcycle helmet with a thinner crumple zone, you won't find anything that will suit. That said, those aerodynamic hang glider/cycle racing helmets look awesome! Also, has anyone thought about attempting the technique that Volpin is using for the AWESOME Daft Punk Helmet in this thread?? In terms of EL lighting, wiring is probably the cheapest, although you'll have to find a way around the whole 'it doesn't look like a panel' problem. Some EL Panels are cuttable, but from what I've seen on overseas websites, they cost a LOT and don't really give you a lot to play with. EL Tape would be a logical choice too but they're again not much to work with for the cost. If money is no object, you could just get an EL company to custom make the panels for you. Personally, I'm going to keep trying with the EL Wire. If anyone else is using EL Wire, please share your stories too!

08-17-2010, 10:35 AM	#153
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume Pharon66 - those images are amazing! How do you do that? I'm looking at the helmet now and wondering how someone is supposed to take it off and put it on. Probably the top detaches from the bottom somehow. But that is totally beyond my current engineering abilities.

08-17-2010, 01:32 PM	#155
giz Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Utah Posts: 137	re: Tron Legacy Costume Would be an interesting helmet to take a stab at...

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08-17-2010, 03:23 PM	#156
kenobibale Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 39	re: Tron Legacy Costume hi guys, ok so i have been thinking about how to wire my the el panels together, clearly wire is going to be a problem since all the panels have to run from various places on my body to the power supply on my back so i was thinking about using curly cable like telephone cable except thinner and smaller but i havent been able to find any online that i can buy in made to measure lengths, does anyone know where i might get some?perhaps im just using the wrong key words in my searches. also do you think it would handle the ac current of the panels? i think the curly cable is a good idea as it has a bit of movement and stretch in it which i think will come in handy when sitting down or bending joints thoughts?

08-18-2010, 05:31 PM	#159
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume Ok, whenever I've made costumes in the past, it was fabric and accessories. Never plastic or rubber. Whats the next step(s) for modeling the helmet?

08-18-2010, 07:08 PM	#160
pharon66 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 51	re: Tron Legacy Costume Well there are many ways to go about this, but I'm going to print this out the get the head in the picture to match the size of my head. From there it's a cardboard mockup. I say if you can't do it in cardboard, you can't do it in much else. Then I would coat it in polymer clay, like sculpey firm. and sculpt out the details. At that point I bake the clay with a heat gun for 10 min. and Sand it with progressively higher grit sandpaper to make sure it's smooth. After that I'm not sure if I want to then I make a reverse mold of it with silicone rubber and make a hollow rotocast of that helmet with a fast curing resin or cut the mockup into pieces and vacuum form each of those pieces and assemble it later. I'm trying to keep it cheap. I don't want to spend more than $170 on the helmet, and more than $200 on the costume. I'll be sure to post pics or create a thread as I'm doing this though.

08-18-2010, 07:58 PM	#161
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume Sounds simple enough. My head is probably not the same size of your head. How does one create these cardboard mockups? I see cardboard mockups of Ironman, Predator, all kinds of stuff all over the place on RPF and it seems like there's some formula or program for making these? Hook me up with the cardboard mockup sweetness! Also, it seems as though its not corrugated cardboard but card stock paper? I assume this because the models I've seen are white like card stock, instead of brown like cardboard.

08-18-2010, 08:19 PM	#162
pharon66 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 51	re: Tron Legacy Costume They mostly use a program called pepakura to make a paper model. I'm thinking of winging it. I'm thinking about using currogated cardboard and non currogated cardboard sheets to get the general idea. Basically like this guy did: kaaskop's Gallery I'll send you the plans once I figure them out.

08-18-2010, 08:56 PM	#163
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume THANK YOU - I should have known that sticky was the missing key I was looking for. I'm reading all about it now. How long do you think it will take you to figure out your plans?

08-20-2010, 03:48 PM	#165
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume So here's another problem/question: It sounds as though they filmed the lighted costumes in low light and then amped up the costume light in post by turning up the contrast/luminescence/whatever. Reading that made me think that trying to light the costumes beyond reflective tape (scotchlite) is probably futile. I was thinking about the End of Line Club and the costumed folks in there. If they were going through all the cost and expense of setting up Flynn's arcade and the club, and if they're going to put costumed programs in there, why not give them light-up costumes? I'm thinking its because the results are disappointing - although, each costume cost thousands of dollars; that could have something to do with it. But it seems as though in moderate light the Elastolite won't show very well. Thoughts?

08-20-2010, 04:37 PM	#166
wondersquid Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: valencia, CA Posts: 250	re: Tron Legacy Costume So I actually saw Flynn's son's costume and helmet up close. man that suit is crazy. The fabric portions (all the bend points) are silk screened hex pattern on an open weave for stretch. The rest of the costume is a sculpted and molded foam latex body that was glued to a rubber or fabric body suit. The helmet is a fiberglass sculpted piece that has been molded and cast in a clear/bluish tinted resin. The stuff looks cool, but i doubt anyone will ever be able to see all the crazy detail that went into it. The lighting was done in a combination of elements, but it boils down to recessed areas, that the lighting strips (a specially made EL fabric from what I heard) glue to, and then the wiring is glued underneath the foam latex, between that and the body suit. After seeing all this I realize I can make it in foam, but It's not going to look as cool as it could be, and yes, the lighting isn't as bright as it looks in the final picture. I say find some good EL lighting and glue it down to your suit, but then glue over it with something else so it will hold as you bend. You can power it with the battery hidden in the back disc holder, the one I saw is more then big enough for 5 nine volt batteries in there. I love what others are coming up with, I can't start on mine until later in the year, I'm jealous. Of course I should get my disc working first, then worry about the rest of the outfit.

08-20-2010, 10:07 PM	#167
jyhash Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 74	re: Tron Legacy Costume Just a quick thought (as I've been watching this thread for a few weeks), what if you sewed EL Wiring over some reflective tape? Wouldn't that give off as much light as tape or paneling? It would be a bit easier and cheaper than panels or tape. I know it's not screen accurate, but as I said, just a thought.

08-23-2010, 10:33 AM	#168
DangerIMMN Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 40	re: Tron Legacy Costume Maybe it you also layered something translucent over the scotchlite and EL wire to diffuse the glow? Ehh... but that probably wouldn't work unless there was at least a small gap between the reflective tape, EL wire, and the translucent rubber stuff. Something that bulky probably wouldn't work for this kind of skin tight costume...

08-23-2010, 01:45 PM	#170
pharon66 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 51	re: Tron Legacy Costume I thought about screen printing the hex pattern but I didn't know how accurate that would be. Now I know that would work. I found a site once that could print any pattern you designed on any fabric you wanted. I'll find that site again and post it here. I chose Rinzler's suit because it has fewer lights.

08-23-2010, 06:56 PM	#173
londonred08 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: California Posts: 9	re: Tron Legacy Costume Hey Ranom not for anyone who is doing a Quorra suit (On a budget ) I found these leggings at Walmart of all places, they are pretty thick, they also have this cool white stitching on them, I figure if I am really running low on time and money I can buy them and sew my reflective tape over the stiching, it's like a ready to use guideline! BTW these are the leggings (Walmart has 2 colors, gray and black, I was only able to find a pic of the gray ones):

08-24-2010, 09:07 PM	#175
mlamb1976 Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5	re: Tron Legacy Costume I found a supplier of EL tape that can provide 18" x 3" strips (in white) for about $9.50 each. That also comes with a 12V DC inverter. I'm 6ft tall, and I estimate I'd need at least 16 of those strips to have a complete set (2 per arm - front/back, 2 for the chest, 2 for my back, 4 for each leg - front/back). That puts it at $152 plus shipping. I can probably get a lower cost per unit if I buy more units at a time. I would post to the junkyard about this, but my account is too new. So please forgive this post. I'm a total noob when it comes to costume making... I would be willing to trade someone's expertise on the rubber outershell for a good deal on some lights.

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