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    Jun 10, 2012 - Teragon's Iron Man MK 47 #1

    Good morning everybody, as it already is 5 am here, and every single thing I'm hopelessly trying to cram into my brain finals flies away, thoughts of my suit project filling all the space my head...
    So, I'm planning to make my own IM MK7 suit, like many other great people here. But I'm going to use Xrobot's urethane coating process, for the whole suit except joints and parts that need to be flexible (I'm thinking collar right now...and that's all I got...). Some of the parts will probably be coated on both sides, to solidify them.
    The goal is to have the best looking/movie accurate suit I can make with my inexperienced hands in foam crafting, so despite the fact that foam suit are originally chosen to be easy, fast, not to expensive build, it won't be the case here. I will take as much time as I need to get it right, and a decent budget (won't go over 1.5K thought, and I spread the cost of course).

    That's it for the intro, now the technical aspect :
    -Suit material : 10mm, 5mm and 3mm plastazote foam, depending on the parts. Hold its shape really well when heated, so it makes great curves in no time, and no gazillion cuts everywhere like traditional pep.
    -The design : a mix of Darkside501st's pep fil, as well as JFCustom's custom foam pep of Darkside and my own custom JFcustom's customized Darkside's pep file (customception ), because I find some of the parts not as movie accurate as I wish, and also for sizing reasons.
    -Electronics : I've played a little with servo controls and stuff when I was way younger, mostly with my dad when he helped me building all kind of things, he is surprisingly not so bad at this, for a surgeon ! But for now, I just have EL sheet panels for the lightning of eyes/chest/repulsors, with powerful drivers to get them bright enough (not as bright as led I guess, but good enough). I do hope to be able to add, later, at least a motorized face plate, and why not some other gadgets (flaps, laser beams). I do have a question for you guys here : what is the color of the eyes ? White or blue ? I currently have a blue set, but ordered a white one too, because I find the blue too...blue ! I'll post a pic of this later.

    What I've done so far :
    Well, I have all the materials I need to start, and I actually already have started.
    I chose to start with the forearm, thinking it wouldn't be too complicated. Boy was I wrong ! I used a JFCustom template, that I quite heavily modified, making it longer and re-arranging the way it folds. I cut it out of 10mm foam and started assembling it, but I've made a few mistakes : first I glued some parts together before heating it to give the shape, no need to say that hot glue didn't like it and partially melt, messing up a few things. Problem is, the few things I didn't glue prior heating turned out hard to glue after... I'll need to figure out something here. Maybe protecting glued seems from heat gun with aluminum sheets ? Then the cuts were messy, straight ones we're OK, but no 45° cut I made was clean, just can't do it with my hobby knife. I'll buy something to make cleaner cut I think. I also had trouble with the glue gun, leaving some dried glue where I don't want it. Finally, despite my custom adjustments to an already +10% scaled template, it still was too small. Not large enough for my hand to fit through, not big enough for the upper forearm to fit inside and not long enough in my taste. Already corrected the template for this. The result is a failure, but as the great Adam Savage says : "failure is always on option", I learn and start again. Although I do not like wasting foam, it takes a few days to import and it's not as cheap as yoga mat but like I said, it's gonna cost what it's gonna cast, even if I don't like it.

    I'll post a few pictures of what I have later today, including my duct tape dummy that awaits its spandex skin.

    If you have taken the time to read me until here, I thank you for your interested in my thread and I hope to keep you interest, and maybe inspire some of you like I've been inspired by a lot of fascinating threads here, which leads me to this : I'd like to thank Darside501st and JFCustom for their pep files and for sharing their knowledge with us, like a lot of other incredible folks here, like indiefilmgeek, who are really an exemple to follow.
    I will know try to get a couple hours of sleep before heading to the slaughterhouse that will be this history final. Why aren't there any prop building college, why
    New direction from now on, wasn't happy with the result of my plastic coating process. Instead of starting over a MK7 I switched to the MK 47 using IMI2's pep files for foam, but instead of doing in in plastic coated foam I'll go directly for plastic sheets, thermo-formed for the curves. More details from page 5 and following. For those wondering, the HUD still works fine and will go in the new helmet, once I have one.
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    Jun 10, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron ManMK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #2

    Sound Awesome ...... let see the pic when you built
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    Jun 11, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron ManMK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #3

    Hey there!

    I am building an iron man suit (Mk VI) among similar circumstances...
    for 45 degree cuts, I would recommend the X ACTO foamboard cutter... it's a really useful tool.
    Dont worry about using too much foam... you have a budget of 1.5K, you are going to have to screw something up really badly to go over that! I have built 8 out of 14 sections, and have not yet reached £100...

    Good luck, I would really like to see how this comes along
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    Jun 11, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #4

    Well, materials here are way more expensive, when you can find what you're looking for, but must of the time I end up ordering what I need from a bunch of different places around the world : foam came from France, EL sheets from the UK, Chicago screws from the US...You get the picture... Plus this smooth on urethane 65D is rather expensive, it cost me 50$ for one Kg of it, and I don't know how far I can go with that. And I had to buy a bunch of tools, hot air gun, hot glue gun... So far I already am around 500 $ !
    Although I included in the budget something I forgot to mention earlier : I may end up buying one of these bad boys : MOD Live GPS Heads up Display | Recon Instruments when they will be able to interface with iOS devices, and if the SDK they provided allows some programs best suited for an hi-tech armor, since I'm not planning to ski while wearing the suit... Could be fun thought !
    Oh and I can't find X acto product here, I did find a 45° cutter, but it was 60$ for a bended piece of plexiglas with a cutter attached to it, so I'll just tape a cutter to a set square with degrees from 0 to 180° I already have, because it would just be a waste of money ... Even the hot air gun was cheaper than this, and it's a good one...
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    Jun 11, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #5

    Your project sounds very interesting. I am doing something very similar with my own. I wish you luck! Keep us updated
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    Jun 11, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #6

    Thanks !
    Here are a few pics of what I have done so far :
    the failed forearm, too tight, messy and not long enough (I want it to go from the wrist to the elbow hinge)




    My dummy, still a work in progress, he needs a head and hands, as well as a lycra full bodysuit for aesthetic reasons. The leds on the base have to be covered to diffuse the light better too, they are so bright that they left me half blind the first time I switched them on !

    and day light


    The EL sheets I was talking about, in different lightning conditions :
    direct sunlight exposure

    ambient room light

    low light

    and complete darkness (I'm really sorry for the toilet, it's the only fully dark place I have !)

    I think the eyes are too blue, even if they seem lighter/brighter in the pics, the real color looks more like the reflection in the last pic. I'll try with a set of white one when I get them.

    And finally the new template for the forearm, with the previous one as reference

    I'll cut it out tomorrow, hopefully this one will be better !
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    Jun 12, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #7

    There is a way you can scale the part on PepakuraDesigner, you might still have to make alterations but they wont be that big, just a way to save some paper.
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    Jun 12, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #8

    if you dont have designer you can still scale them in viewer but you can't save them. Just write down the scale that you used so you know what it is.
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    Jun 12, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #9

    Thanks for tips , I'm familiar on how to scale pep files (however it does ask me a password when I try to save my changes ?), but the forearm is a pattern I made by hand to start with, because I didn't like the pep one, so I also had to scale it by hand. And here is the result (not finished though, had to improvise along the way too) :

    It's longer, a bit wider which is a good thing because the upper forearm has to fit in it and less messy with the cuts and gluing process. There will be some gaps, but I'll probably be able to fill them with bondo after the urethane plastic coating. So so far, I'm sticking with it.

    I also got the white EL sheets for the eyes, I like it a bit better, but what do you guys think ? The previous blue ones or the new white ones ? Here are a few pictures in the same lightning conditions as the blue ones :
    direct sun light

    Ambient light

    low light

    and complete darkness

    Again, the camera does some kind of color distorsion, they actually are slightly more blue tinted, especially in lower lightning conditions. However they are more pinkish when they're off as well as in direct sun light, the blue ones didn't have that problem. They're white when they're off, but turquoise (light aqua blue) in bright light.
    If I do end up choosing the white, I'll save the blue for a Mark II later, because this armor is still my favorite of all movies, the first time you see it in Iron Man 1, with all the parts moving just before taking off is one of my favorite moment of the movie and it sticked in my heart and mind. But since i'm doing an Avengers movie room, I started with the latest MK VII, my second favorite.

    I forgot : I also have now a personal engineer at my disposition for the electronics of the suit ! Well it's more of an engineering student , but it's all the same so thank you to my good friend Quentin, if he reads this, for giving me a hand !

    edit 2 : Same friend sent me this vid : Flyboard (sorry it's in french !). I had to share it here, it's so sick I need to try this ASAP ! Like he said, we won't be able to use this anytime soon with our suits, but I thought it would interest all of Iron man fans, it basically lets you fly like him !
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    Jun 13, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #10

    Very Nice! You have to buy the password in order to save your changes.
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    Jun 13, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #11

    The program's password ? It's weird because I did purchase the license for Pep designer...
    On the side note, I finished the new forearm, and I'm still not happy with it. My custom pattern was nice on paper, but doesn't translate that well in 10mm foam... I decided to give it a shot with plastic coating tomorrow, but I'm having second thoughts about this, mainly because I don't have much smooth on 65D and don't want to waste it on something I may just throw away, so I think I'll try to make a third forearm with the regular pattern this time, and see which one looks best before I try the smooth on.
    Here is a pic of it though, already PVA coated, if you see what is off with it, please tell me ! I think the overal shape isn't accurate and I had trouble connecting the base of the elevated part of the forearm (curvy edge in the front) to the flat upper front part of it.
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    Jun 19, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #12

    Not much to update, but I haven't quit, far from it !
    I've done the elbows and started the biceps. One bicep actually. I don't understand how some of you guys can build so fast, it took me 3 hours to cut and assemble 1 bicep, and it's not even done yet ! I'm trying to keep it as clean as possible though, so I take my time to make sure everything fits perfectly and is well aligned.

    As you can maybe see, the forearm is shiny because I applied a first light coat of smooth on 65D on it, it went great on the bottom but when I reached the top, that stuff has already started to dry, in only a few minutes (!) and it became messy ... So, next time, I will try mixing more of that stuff, maybe it will dry slower... Some sanding should fix the problem though.
    I also got my round EL sheets for the hand repulsors, but I'm afraid they're a bit small, 3cm only (1,18 inches) and I'll need to isolate the back because it gave a me a very unpleasant electric shock ^^
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    Jun 20, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #13

    Finished the bicep minus the elbow hinge today. 1 hour to get it done, 2 more to clean all the glue on the outside ! This bicep took me something like 7 hours to complete, and still need to be coated. I think it's safe to assume that I am a slow builder, but hopefully all this time spent making it as flawless as possible will be worth it once I'm done.
    You'll also notice that my duct tape dummy got hands and a skin, but still missing his head (like me sometimes ^^). And should find something elegant to cover those LEDs on the display base, every time I turn them on, they blind me for almost half a minute !



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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #14

    going slowly but surely : here is one hand, based on J0wE's file in 3mm foam. Latex glove is not a part of it, it's just there to keep me from being shocked by the EL repulsor, that needs to be isolate with electric tape, which I currently don't have ^^





    I think the El sheet looks really great as a repulsor, and I'm pleased with the hand itself too. The downside of the EL sheet is, as I said previously stated, the pink color when it's off :

    But maybe it will blend in with the red once the suit will be painted.
    The plan is to use these under : So it will cover nicely the empty space left under the fingers armor. Speaking of fingers, I'm still figuring out if I should 3D print them ($$$), or make them myself, but I can't find a material that would cover my needs : something between 1 and 2 mm thick, quite flexible and compatible with smooth on 65D if it's not already a plastic material. 2mm foam would work but my supplier doesn't have anything under 3mm.
    Tomorrow I'll try to make the hand plate, and start either the second bicep or a shoulder.
    Here is a last pic, it doesn't show anything but I thought it looked cool
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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #15

    Would you be willing to share where you got your EL sheets and brushes for the 65D?
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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #16

    Sure, that's why we're here
    EL sheets come from here : http://stores.befr.ebay.be/elwirecraft more specifically the arc reactor/eyes kit is sold here : EL Iron Man Set = El Tape Glowing Eyes + EL Panel Arc Reactor (mask not included | eBay and the "buttons" I used for the repulsors seems to be out of stock right now, as I can't find them in the shop. I switched the driver that comes with the arc/eyes kit with this one, more powerful that also seems out of stock, but it's a 8 AA batteries portable one. I kept the other one for the repulsors.
    As for the brushes I use with the 65D, since this stuff dries as solid plastic I just throw away the brush, so I bought cheap brushes at my local DYI store, 5 for 2$ I think. It's really regular brushes with the wooden handle, nothing fancy
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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #17

    Thanks so much, I have been looking around for materials to find out an estimated cost for my suit, still in the research stage...
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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #18

    Well, good luck for your research then ! Can't really help you with the foam, unless you are european and living in France (or close, like me)... It will probably be cheaper to find it close to you than make it ship from europe !
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    Jun 21, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #19

    Oh yeah I forgot! Since our projects are similar I thought this might be useful to you, Pololu Robotics and Electronics. They have information on how to program servos and they even sell servos and their components.
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    Jun 24, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #20

    Thanks ! That will come handy !
    I completed one arm minus the fingers and elbow hinge, as well as the second bicep and I also got my undergloves, so I thought I'd throw everything together and take a couple a pictures, to see how it looks like.




    And the shoulder :


    It probably will need a bit a of tweaking here and there, especially to get a nice junction between the bicep and the shoulder, and also between the torso and the shoulder, so I'll wait to have the torso made before I coat it, sand it and paint it. But it looks quite right to me right now I think.
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    Jun 24, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #21

    Looks good - looking forward to more of this one, glad you found the plastic coating info helpful.
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    Jun 24, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #22

    Thank you, I still need to master the process of plastic coating, since this stuff dries fast, but I definitely think that your idea is the best way to go : hard outside, soft outside and yet flexible. It reminds me that I had to ask you about the PVA you're using : do you mix it with water with 1:1 ratio, or do you use it pure ? It looks more gel-like than liquid in your video, like pure PVA ?
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    Jun 26, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #23

    Working on the torso, nothing to show yet on that but, I did finally get my helmet that has been sitting in the customs for a while... A few words on this helmet : I bought it on ebay, before I heard about foam costuming and the RPF, so it was supposed to be a display piece only. This means that it may be (hopefully not) a recast for all I know, I have no way to tell and I didn't even know what it meant back then. So if it is one, I apologies to the original maker. Now that being said, I paid for it, I have it and I'm going to use it for this project, recast or not.
    I'll have to sand it, fix a little crack, probably remove the magnets of the removable faceplate (too strong for servo controlled faceplate), add some padding and paint it back with my shade of colors. Had I knew I was going to make a suit, I would have bought a blank one in one piece, but now I'll just mod it.
    Regarding the modding, I see a lot a helmet here with detachable back piece, why exactly does it need this ? My helmet can be put on and off just like this, so what's the difference ?

    Now for the electronic part : me and my engineer friend have, we think, found a solution to avoid looking through small gaps between the eyes. It is still in "R&D" phase, but the main idea is to use a pinhole camera hooked up to virtual eyewear screen. The best candidate so far are the Vuzix Wrap 920, displaying a 67" screen a 10 feet officially (from user reviews, it seems to appear closer, which is good for me). From the inside, it should look like playing a video game, sort of a primitive HUD, but without any intel and half decent quality picture, hopefully enough to move around and see better than through the gaps. The pinhole camera would be placed in the lip junction between the faceplate and the helmet, so it follows head movements. Placing it on the body, like in a shoulder, would allow a better quality camera with more advanced tech (IR,...) but it would be really weird to have the camera and the head not sync...
    I'm a bit surprised to see so few, if any project like this : is there a reason for it ? Is what we are trying to do impossible ? My buddy thinks it's plausible, and so do I, we don't see any major issues to keep us from doing it.
    For the faceplate, nothing fancy, servo controlled opening like many other helmets out here, except I'm hoping I can remove the vuzix glasses branches and fix them inside the faceplate so they would follow it when it opens.
    And now the pictures :




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    Jun 27, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit [helmet arrived !] #24

    Wow nice work so far
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    Jun 28, 2012 - Re: Teragon's Iron Man MK 7 plastic foamcore suit (oh great, another one :-p) #25

    teragon said: View Post
    Thank you, I still need to master the process of plastic coating, since this stuff dries fast, but I definitely think that your idea is the best way to go : hard outside, soft outside and yet flexible. It reminds me that I had to ask you about the PVA you're using : do you mix it with water with 1:1 ratio, or do you use it pure ? It looks more gel-like than liquid in your video, like pure PVA ?
    Yes I used it as it came out of the container.
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