Aug 27, 2007, 11:51 AM - Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
I did a GOOGLE search about Mr. ROBOTO's mask, and I only came accross with STYX Lead Singer's website.
I am looking into creating an identical mask/helmet, just like in the video, fully wearable and FUNCTIONAL (for the lights, I mean).
Does anyone (specially the veterans here) knows if someone made a fan replica of these masks before, or more reference pics, sources, etc?
Aug 27, 2007, 12:03 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Winston Studios did that mask and there are some pics of it in The Art and History of Stan Winston Studios book.
Aug 27, 2007, 12:12 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
I've wanted to make one of these for a while now, I just never learned how to do it the way I want to so I've been putting it off.
Aug 27, 2007, 12:22 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
A quick google search came up with this: http://www.styxcollector.com/roboto.html You didn't mention seeing it so sorry if you already have.
Jun 11, 2008, 10:12 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Sorry to revive an old thread, but I too have always wanted a Roboto costume. I probally should have put my own post in the JY, as I do not plan on making my own. I'd be looking to buy.
Now that we have so many IronMan helmet makers, I thought one of them might be able to take that knowledge and put it towards this project. I don't have many more pictures, but I could send what I have.
Anyone want to try this?
Jun 15, 2008, 6:07 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Well, I have already all the info I needed for this.
About the "WHOLE" costume in the future, I don't believe that will be possible...due that people have different measurements, and I won't be able to replicate the costume in different sizes, since the costumeit completely different from anything I've seen before, but replicates closely an Imperial Officer from STAR WARS, and those have to be FIT-TO-MEASURE. I am working on the whole costume for Dragon*Con this year, which means MASK, HELMET, GLOVES, BOOTS and SUIT. I have so far two of four parts done on the mask (one part I don't think needs any molds or anything, just a pattern and cut the plastic), and the third currently on the works. I call it the "SECRET-SECRET" project. If you guys want, do a GOOGLE search, and you'll find something. This project will go first to the Producers and agents in California who represent the band STYX to see if they like it, and (maybe) afterwards, there could be the chance to reproduce on large scale production for the general public.....just stay tuned.
When I am close to be ready to vacuuform the masks, I will post here. REMOLOCKE, don't loose your hopes, since THIS one is becoming a reality really soon after Dragon*Con...by the way I see it.
Last edited by DarthVader1; Jun 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM.
Jun 15, 2008, 6:55 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Just for good ol' times memories...
Mini-Movie that led to the creation of the video above, played before the concert...
and the concert version of the video:
Oh hell, why not?!.......Now to business......
As you know, I am working on a "SECRET-SECRET" costume, but NOT-SO secret after this point and some few people who knows about it already....but this is celebrating the 25th anniversary of such character......I just want to share the talent and the progress so far within the forum.
Here are some "TEASER-PICS" of my SECRET project in progress so far:
and a bigger perspective, yet from another angle...
Just like the post's title....this is a "SECRET" costume (namely to prevent being sued by COPYRIGHTED stuff). I will send a copy to STYX's agents in California (yes, I have the address and info). I have to wait for an opinion from them first before making the replicas to the general public. (Either way, PM me. )
About my progress this past weekend, I had to redo the cheeks, basically cut some of them (they had quite too much), and still working on them since I don't have an original mask and just having reference pics. Working hard on the eyes area, and the nose. As we speak I am in the process of sculpting the mouth area. Once I finish with the face, the rest will be a piece of cake (three more pieces (top-back, back-neck, neck piece). Damn, somehow I feel like a PLASTIC SURGEON!
Here's another progress pic: eyes detail (not complete, since once I finish I have to do the comparison progress, fix discrepancies, and then the "smoothing process" by "shaving" lightly some of the rough surfaces, and then a brush and alcohol treatment before molding (the rubbing type of alcohol, not the drinking type)...LOL.
I got to fix some discrepancy with the eyes, where they meet with the nose, and reduce the profile of the cheeks (too "squared"/paralleled like the ones in Vaders helmet).
Best angle so far...
Here's a progress of my work so far...
I have improved and completed the last details. Not 100% accurate as I wanted it to be, but really close.....based on the short time and resources I have (since I don't have a job yet).
Here is a pic of the clay sculpture ready to make a mold of it
and the other side.....
From the distance, since pics taken close don't look as good....
I am making a silicone rubber mold, reinforce with plaster bandages, to then cast in PLASTER, which will be the MASTER MOLD for the Vacuuforming table. This process will take a LOT OF TIME!!! (since it's about 10 coats of the brushable latex rubber)
I’ve got to finally do the plaster bandages shell, but had to reinforce it again, since it ended up too flimsy.
Then to my surprise, when I removed the clay underneath and the rubber mold, I’ve noticed that some areas of the rubber were not completely dry yet, and some of the detail got lost.
But I will solve the mishaps when I do the plaster casting. Here are the areas that got messed up, normally, the corner of the eyes, part of the cheeks, but mostly in the side details where they got the most problems.
First view of the plaster casting
Another view of the plaster casting process.
I had to add the description, just in case, which has my nickname inscribed at the bottom left (not shown here, though)
Plaster casting result. As expected, all the deficiencies found in the mold are reflected in the cast, but easy to deal with...
...specifically these areas, not counting the squared-shaped details from the sides and top....
...but I wasn't counting about this one: an imperfection on the cast, due for the fact that the plaster bandage shell was not strong enough, and the clay that was supporting the shell in place, was pushing THAT area due to the weight of the plaster, when I poured it in the mold completely.
Here's a better area of the damage. Easy to fix....reinforce the shell, and redo the casting in some other method, stronger than just plaster.
One of the areas affected by the mold, cleaned up. (just fixing the casting, and practice for next time).
The other eye corner, fixed as well....just practicing.
As well as the "venereal-decease-looking" thing in the mouth area. Cleaned up.
The only updates I could post, is that I was trying to redo the casting with both "Durham's Water Putty" (amazing thing, BTW), and the rest of the plaster I have.
So far, after reinforcing the plaster bandages shell in the parts I REALLY needed to reinforce, I've tried to do a thick crust of DWP (Durham's), and fill it up with regular Plaster of Paris (PoP). Unfortunately, the second casting I made, came out really brittle, cracking at sections, and most of the details I wanted to achieve preserving for the vacuuforming machine got messed up. Right now I am in the lookout for a better material than PoP, which is almost like DWP, but even stronger. It's a plaster that's used exclusively to create STRONG ceramic molds. I know it, since I took ceramics classes before joining the military right after graduating High School.
I've being fighting with this project since I've started, and all due to real-life reasons, plus some failures in between. So far I got sucess today, since I've changed the plaster type for a stronger one, and made some changes for a lighter version, and also to help with some holes I have to make to obtain detail of the face. Here's the idea and the reason why:
Here's what I got so far,
That hole was made by a bowl I pushed while pouring the HYDROSTONE plaster to save in material and weight, thanks to an idea from a guy I know from the www.TK560.com website, that are helping me out with vacuuforming info and other stuff.
I will post more progress pics by tomorrow, since I was kind of busy today.
UPDATE - PART #2
Just to let you know, I've finished sculpting the second piece of the mask after 3 days, (and that was fast), which I will call PART #2 (it consists at least of 3 parts, but will do it in 4 parts.
This is the part I've just sculpted and finished today (the RED area):
Now, this is the start of the sculpting process...a really rough basic shape.
And with the finished details and cleaning:
Now two different angles,
And now straight from the top.
I've just started the silicone rubber mold making progress, and THAT is the tedious one. This time I will let it dry and take my time, since I don't want any mistakes this time from the first attempt with the face part. My next report will be when I finish the silicone rubber mold....probably by next week.
Well, I've been working with Part #2 of the helmet, now I just need to sculpt part #3 (and last one)....and I will do that this week or weekend....too much ongoing this whole past week and weekend as it is.
Anyway, I've just finished the sculpt last weekend for part #2, but I didn't post any pics of the progress, since it's the same process as part #1. I've just finished part #2, and these are the pics so far for the piece to be vacuuformed on top. Can't wait until I start (and finish) Part #3.
The three parts together: Mold, plaster-bandage shell, and HYDROSTONE casting.
Part to be vacuuformed with, just need a little few minor fixes here and there, but nothing biggie.
Pic of the silicone rubber, which came out....PERFECT! Even the studs that makes the little holes, came out in PERFECT shape, IMHO.
Well, so far I wanted to give you a FULL UPDATE of the third, and final part of the helmet/mask, since the other (very last, namely the front - lower neck) part will be just improvised, custom made to size. It will be a waste of plastic, time, resources and electricity doing it in a vacuum forming way.
I wanted to go with measurements (which I did and kept), to start doing a sculpt of that back piece, but I’ve just discovered that this piece is the MOST DIFFICULT to accomplish, more than the face, since it has to connect somehow with the other two parts previously done….and based on the last cast….the calculations were a little WRONG……somehow. Not bad news, since I was going BY-SCALE from the original on the videos, but I managed to find a solution, since there’s no actual or really defined pics of the back of the original ones, so I am coming with an really original idea, just to unite all parts together, and not compromise any gaps in between.
Here are the pics of the progress so far, be advised that I’ve tried to do so many calculations, and it’s still getting difficult, since this has to connect with ALL the other parts at the same time.
Last minute decision of what to use for the round neck backing. The plastic gallon is ROUND, not squared like a gallon of milk, just to point that out:
I’ve chose to go with the "flower foam" instead, but they leave a whole mess around....specially sticking to the clay…
...so, I've decided to cover the "messy part" with a plastic bag, and then do the whole shell on top of it with clay, which I had to add some more clay underneath the plastic gallon plastic for support, since there will be a lot of pressure from the sculpting, but not as much as I thought:
Here's the result of the BASIC FRAME (as of today). I did this to save on clay….
More progress coming soon…probably by next week.
Jun 17, 2008, 12:20 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
nicely done! Can't wait to see the finished product!! Keep up the good work.
Jun 17, 2008, 12:44 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Wow, you've been busy. Greta job.
I don't know if an official ok from the band would ever come thoguh, since (AFAIK) outside of Dennis, the others hated the whole concept. But of course, if they see money out of this, they might be up for it.
Nov 25, 2008, 12:15 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
So whatever happened with this project? Did you have it done in time for DC?
Nov 25, 2008, 12:54 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Yeah - I have to say this mask has been on my MOST WANTED list for a long time. I'd snap up two in a second if they were offered!
Nov 25, 2008, 10:53 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
so, who else reading this thread had that song running in their head at the same time? LOL
neat project, can't wait to see it done.
Jan 7, 2009, 10:12 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - BACK IN PROGRESS !!!!
As of right now, I've started to "crank up the engines" where I left the project off, and this time with "HYPERDRIVE" mode.
Found out the easiest way (and cheapest) to continue at least the MASK/HELMET segment of the project, so THAT will be a "creeping" project (still, based on real-life situations as of now.
More to come really soon.
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Jan 7, 2009, 11:17 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Jan 8, 2009, 12:25 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
I set it as my ringtone, been waiting to see the final results and hoping Robert will do a run.
Jan 8, 2009, 4:01 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - BACK IN PROGRESS !!!!
GREAT! I can't wait to see one of these complete.
Jan 10, 2009, 5:04 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Please keep us updated as you "creep along". Always wanted one of them.
Jan 10, 2009, 11:09 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Watch this Mr. Roboto video from 2007. Is Dennis DeYoung holding up an ORIGINAL Roboto mask ?
(starts at 3:04 mark)
I believe this is the same mask in this version, better close-up/clearer picture:
(starts at 4:05 mark)
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Jan 10, 2009, 11:34 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
The sculpt is looking fantastic.
Any chance you could re-post the mini movie that STYX played before concert? I see you had a link to it but it says "removed by user".
Jan 15, 2009, 1:43 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Jan 15, 2009, 1:44 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
This is awesome. Can I have one?
Mar 19, 2009, 2:42 PM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Aug 16, 2009, 10:01 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
I completely forgot about this thread, but I've created another one (different name..."SECRET-SECRET...") with ALL the progress and ALL pics, to include links to ALL the STYX videos online:
Jun 13, 2012, 12:32 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
Awsome work, I just wish someone would come out with at PDO file that I could build for my personal collection...
Jul 9, 2012, 11:43 AM - Re: Mr. ROBOTO Mask - info needed.
I would like to have one of these masks!
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