Could someone post the "AA proof" photo that's on Prop Den?
I can't access that site cause my firewall here at work is blocking it.
If that's not possible at least give a description of what the photo is. I keep reading about that actual proof photo and have no idea what it shows. Also, has there been an official ruling yet? I read that he has been flushed out as a liar but what of the case?
Last edited by motivealloy; Apr 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM.
And those that were just interested in knowing the truth one way or the other.Good Lord Almighty!!!!
Why is this so hard people? Grow up already!!! This whole thread can be boiled down to...
AA Lied! The truth is now out.
Anti-AA'ers are thrilled. They are dancing and yelling "Told ya so". Some are really rubbing it in as payback. They doubted AA and fussed since day one. Regardless of motives, they argued at every turn that AA's claims were crap. Some argued so vehemently they were banned.
Pro-AA's are sad. They are now faced with "Told ya so" and in light of that, they are squirming to avoid making the statement "I was wrong". They drank the AA Kool-aid. They overlooked glaring issues in favor of "a piece of history".
The pro's need to be gracious. The Anti's need to be humble. Gino needs to play nice with other people's pictures. AA needs to panhandle so he can pay his upcoming debts and everyone needs to thank Brian Muir and Liz Moore.
Oh yes and mods since the Moog was right about AA after all, you ought to invite him
Not taking the stories from either side as gospel and actually trying to weigh up the arguments from all camps and trying to get to the truth.
Actually, once the pics are posted on the web, don't they become public domain?
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Is on a work bench with tools and such, or more like a final beauty shot? Black and white I'm assuming.
I'll have to see if I can access the site from home. Sounds like an interesting photo. Maybe someone will make a Liz Moore tribute sculpt trooper helmet...
Overall what strikes me is how sad all of this is. Sad that people have become so hateful and vicious over something that really should be a fun diversion that helps some of us recapture our childhood. I understand that we are passionate about our hobby but, really, nobody's life depends on this stuff--it's a costume.
Especially sad that AA, who could have been a hero if he had just been up front about everything, has ruined his own reputation and sullied his product for a lot of people. I guess he thought his product would have more cache if it was thought that he had created the trooper helmet instead of merely fabricating it. How many people lined up to buy his stuff just based upon that fact he was the guy that originally made the helmets in 1976 (not designed, sculpted, pooped, whatever)? Even though I couldn't afford one of the things that idea alone was a tremendous attraction to me. How cool would it be to have a stormtrooper helmet made by the guy who made them for the original movie? AA didn't have to lie to get people to buy his stuff! It might not have appealed to everyone but nothing ever does. If Greg Jein or Brick Price or whoever decided to start marketing replicas of their original props we'd all flip! (not that AA is in any way, shape, or form a Greg Jein or the like but hopefully you see my point)
Ultimately, about a year ago, I was able to get ahold of an SDS TIE helmet from a fellow RPFer. Now, whenever I look at it, whatever coolness factor the design holds will be tempered by knowledge of his character, not just rumors and speculation.
But on the other side of the coin, if they were used in the court case as evidence then yes they will become public domain (for nonprofit use) unless the release of the court documents is blocked by the courts...
As for Moog, I'll toss the vote in, although I suspect it will be a repeat of staff policy...
Last edited by exoray; Apr 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM.
The images could also fall under fair use if it meets the four statutory factors.
Regardless of the legal issues if someones asked that pics not be posted you should respect their wishes.
And the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
If I had believed every "obvious lie" that people told or showed on the RPF about Wampa, Gavidoc, Braks, RAC, TE, Gino, Jez, Treadwell, Clutch and about 90% of the RPF then I wouldn't have any friends, wouldn't buy or sell with anyone, wouldn't talk with anyone and would think everyone has some nefarious personality.
Which is why, not having sat down to tea with AA, nor been with him in '76, nor having been privy to his life, nor having visited his shop, nor having read through the LFL historical pictures and documents, nor talking with Brian Muir, John Richardson, nor etc. and so on I and others were willing to see what happened and learn over time rather than pull out our torches and rope.
And what sullied the entire thing more were the shenanigans of the primary TK makers in the background of it all actually ending up lending credence to AA's actions. After all, if they loved the TK so much and were so happy that the original maker was now involved...how come they came out trashing him, his work, and everything about him from the very start? How did they KNOW what he was all about when they never did anything more than talk to the man on the phone...and why do that in the first place if he wasn't the real deal? Hmm...because he ditzed them on entering into a business deal? Because they were afraid of competition? Whether true or not, that was all out there.
Add to that the pile on by those TK maker's friends (and partners) into ANY thread talking about AA and his helmets, and not just talking but slamming and insulting those who supported that AA *MIGHT* be real, just lent more to the "pro-AA" side.
It's the "he doth protest too much" that pushed a lot of people more to AA than away. Only when some hard evidence started to come out, due to the trial, that even those willing to give him benefit of the doubt started to back off (including me).
Lending to AA was also the fact he contributed to the 501st, including charity work. That he was always upfront with people who had problems and always open to show people his shop. Reading the UK prop forum it's pretty clear he was not at all the heinous villain that the US prop members portrayed in spades.
Why did he do what he did? Only he knows. Why was he on one hand seemingly kind and generous, and yet on the other hand some greedy, lying thief? Somewhere in all this is the real Andrew Ainsworth.
It's a sad day for both the pro and anti AA camps.
So is the trial actually over now?
If not how much longer?
As for your comment about Moog, you are no better informed or enlightened on that subject than your defense of AA apears to have been.
Last edited by Darbycrash; Apr 22, 2008 at 8:32 PM.
As for Moogy, sorry, but he said himself in this forum that he was convicted, that he admitted it, he laughed about it. He made insulting personal attacks upon members, he made comments that were WAY beyond the general cracks made in these threads. Once banned he tried to sock puppet his way in, played games with the staff.
The hypocrisy is outstanding.