Oct 30, 2011, 9:00 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
That ship is way bigger than 38" - I'd estimate the ball diameter to be 12" -14", making it a 6 foot+ long ship easily - hard to know for sure, if the model maker is a little guy, or average, or 6' 4" will make a difference on scaling the ship... There's great shots there, and a really accurate replica could be made in any scale you want. Hope you get your dream model made - good luck!
Oct 30, 2011, 9:30 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
We need to identify the watch that guy is wearing, and then go from the there...
j/k, but I think that ewokus is right, the spheres are much larger than 10". They are twice the size of the guy´s head, so that´s at least a 50cm height there since an average head is about 26cm high.
Oct 30, 2011, 1:12 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
One possible scale reference might be the white bulb used in the front light housing (and maybe the two side ones). It looks like it might be a flashlight or a car headlamp bulb (it seems to be spherical, not conical). I'll bet it was something off the shelf anyway.
Oct 31, 2011, 6:32 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
I would guess that the spheres are around 1'-6" (18") ea. If that cartoon cross section is drawn to scale then I would put it's length around 8'-4". Again using the cross section as reference, if the miniature was 3' long, then the spheres would be around 6.5" dia.
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Nov 1, 2011, 6:37 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Thanks guys you may all be right. He seems to be working on that orange "sensor" (?) on the second sphere so it does look like the sphere's a foot or slightly more than a foot in size. This thing's huge then and not 39" inches as the auctioneer note says - I'll have to think twice about building it in original scale - which might come close to 5 feet long.
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Nov 1, 2011, 10:05 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Are we sure we're not looking at two different models? Look at the front windows - On the auction pics they look parallel to the equator of the forward sphere. On the Behind the scenes shot the windows conform more to the surface of the sphere & slant down along an equataorial line.
Two different models would also account for the size discrepancy in the auction.
Nov 1, 2011, 1:52 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Thanks, sapper36. I was thinking more like the shooting angle would explain the windows but looking closer I see what you mean. So it seems to have been a case of having 2 models for the show - a 3-footer and a 5-footer, the first one for RC and the bigger model for beauty shots. I was led astray by the auction's caption saying "This was the only submarine of its scale created for the show and was used throughout the series". Man, the identical paintjob could fool you right off the bat. Teaches me to pay good attention to all the details.
I guess I could list the differences of the 5-footer as (1) front windows arc downwards (2) shape of part on top of conning tower slimmer (3) Holes in spheres (which I thought were just patched up because those orange "smoking-pipe"-like things broke off) (4) shape of parts underneath spheres slimmer (5) cap over the front headlight. (6) Size of side headlamps smaller.
When I first saw behind-the-scenes photo I thought those G-clamps in the back were extra detailing. Funny how anything could be made to look like anything in sci-fi. They could have used it in the show and still I would have said Wow!
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Nov 1, 2011, 2:53 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
I actually built this sucker at about 3' long when I was a kid. Used balsa & styrofoam spheres working from that cutaway diagram you have that was printed in starlog. Fun times. This would be fun to build about 2 - 3 ft long - fill up the shoppong cart at plastruct & you could almost be done!
Nov 1, 2011, 7:28 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Just threw the cut-a-way drawing in Sketchup. Assuming you wanted to build a 38" model from the front to the back of the prop guard, the spheres come out to be 6.877 inches in diameter. If you did not include the prop guard in your measurements, then figure on 7.2 inches. Hope this helps.
If you had spheres at 1 foot and 18 inches respectively, that puts the model without prop guard at 63.3 inches and 95 inches. 60 inches is 5 feet and 96 inches is 8 feet! Big model!
Nov 1, 2011, 8:10 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
I'd find either 6" or 7" dia. spheres and do a nice 3+ footer of it - plenty of space to add lights to it as well. If I had the time I'd probably make one just for the heck of it - I've done an 11 foot Speeder Bike, so this is small stuff for me. : )
Nov 2, 2011, 9:18 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
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Nov 2, 2011, 10:30 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
cool idea using the christmas balls! this is gonna be a really cool build
Nov 3, 2011, 8:28 AM -
Nice! I used to practice that swim in our pool as a kid. It was slow going!
I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.629446,-74.113738
Nov 5, 2011, 10:07 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Thanks, guys! Started sanding the spheres and dremeling off the stems.
Three more to go. Nothing like some nice relaxing hobby time on a Saturday night, when you're not worried about getting up early for work the following day.
Nov 5, 2011, 10:20 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Great build so far!
The pics of my scratchbuild used to be up on the Subcommittee site, long ago... a quick troll of my computer's archives gave me these; I've got more pics - including my Cetacean's current battered condition - but, I did mine when there were only bootleg VHS copies of the show for references, and the Starlog pics:
Nov 5, 2011, 11:17 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Hi Joe, so that famous photo of a scratchbuilt Cetacean was yours! Can you post all of the photos you have? I'm getting as much inspiration from scratchbuilds as the real props. The design was so simple but easily recognizable and the detailing so sparse I'm sure it prompted a lot of scratchbuilds. I know it captured my imagination as a young kid back then - I thought it was a real ship.
Nov 6, 2011, 9:53 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Thanks for the kind words! I love what you are doing, as it is making me think of an updated build for my self
It will take a day or two to dig thru boxes of old model pics, but I will scan and post what I find, along with that model's current bashed-up appearance.
Nov 9, 2011, 11:15 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Averaged the entrance and exit point diameters of the passageways and measured in relation to the ball. Got tube diameter as Ball diameter x 0.43. Wish I knew a better way to measure using the angled shots of the prop; I hope this is close.
Two down. I wonder if I could attach those foam core sanding blocks to the electric sander.
Nov 10, 2011, 9:16 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Nov 11, 2011, 12:30 AM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
I am GLAD these are plastic. When I first saw pictures of them, I thought they were glass and I was going "He's not seriously going to try to use THOSE to make the sub, is he?!" Great idea to use them BTW as the size should be perfect when done (not too big, not too small). Do you plan to wire it up for lights in the front?
BTW, there is ONE theme song you need for this build thread...
Big Balls by AC/DC.
Hmmmm, how about a "Big Balls" themed Man from Atlantis video featuring the Cetacean.
Nov 11, 2011, 4:45 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
Thank you so much for doing this. Man From Atlantis was my absolute most favorite show back then. I would have loved to had a good model of this and still would. I am looking forward to your build.
Nov 13, 2011, 11:59 PM - Re: Cetacean - The Man From Atlantis submarine - Help
You know, it is kind of weird of Cetacean seems to have a 2001 Discovery vibe going for it. In fact I can sort of remember the first time I saw scenes from 2001 as a young kid (after watching a few Man from Atlantis episodes) I seem to recall kind of wondering why the Cetacean was flying through space.
Instead of incandescent bulbs, I would go with warm white LEDs and maybe place them in smaller clear spheres to give that bulb look in the light housings. That way, you can cut down the voltage needed to power them, reduce the complexity of the circuit and also use light sources that essentially don't burn out easily.
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