rbeach84
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Updated the Downloads page with the latest TRACKER & DECAL IMAGES archive. Enjoy!
Regards, Robert
Hampton Roads Scale Modelers
Regards, Robert
Hampton Roads Scale Modelers
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"BATA" HLMF / HRMF Decals 90% done (95% hasbro parts HRMF build)
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Scarecrow Joe
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Where is this download page?
that would be pg 6 post 144 of this thread.
rbeach84
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'Joe, I'll start including the link in my update announcements, also. Look under the 'Recent Posts' sidebar for the link, or go to the TOOLS>RESEARCH menu as well. Regards, Robert
rbeach84
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I tried last night, as an experiment, to get a screen capture of the MF from a non-Blue Ray DVD of 'A New Hope' I have. However, I found how many of the scenes (what few actually have the MF in them...) aren't the five footer in the 'enhanced release' (cough-cough) but rather the 32" model! In fact, the only moment I did capture was the previously cited scene during the Death Star escape fight with the TIEs when I also got a view of the dish. However, it was oriented such that the mystery colored stripe (item #88) was away from the camera. Dang! I did see that there was another instance of item #9 - Inverted Rescue Panel - at the top of the dish's 'A-frame' mount. This view also seems to have 'put-paid' to the idea that there were black 'data placards' in the locations that appear currently as yellow blocks (aka glue residue.) Now I suspect they were larger blocks of text arrayed at the compass points of the mount base ring but this is based on a smudge in the screen cap, so...
Also, I have found an image that shows item #30, the red "S" decal, clearly enough to be certain it IS NOT a Shelby Cobra logo. I do not recognize its source, but it definitely a red 'S' on a white circle on a black encompassing square. New is the fact that there is a 'notch' in the white at the top of the 'S' (which I had previously interpreted as a crown for a King Cobra...)
So, one more sorted if not the source ID'ed. Regards, Robert
Also, I have found an image that shows item #30, the red "S" decal, clearly enough to be certain it IS NOT a Shelby Cobra logo. I do not recognize its source, but it definitely a red 'S' on a white circle on a black encompassing square. New is the fact that there is a 'notch' in the white at the top of the 'S' (which I had previously interpreted as a crown for a King Cobra...)
So, one more sorted if not the source ID'ed. Regards, Robert
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Hey all, I am getting caught up here after being away for a few days...can't walk away for a minute or I miss everything! 
CLARIFICATION: #159
I do still think this is the F-4 RESCUE placard, I think what is making the proportions not look right is that the greeblie part it is sitting on is actually partially covering the bottom portion of the decal...maybe these images can show it a little clearer...
SOURCE UPDATE: #10, #114, and an Unknown
I have found a likely source for decal #10, the R-W-B stripe, found on the rear port wall...it appears to have come from an AMT Penske Racing 1974-5 AMC Matador (the one with the van & trailer)...it is the top portion of the 'PENSKE RACING' logo...this is also the most likely source for #114, the top portion of the AMC logo found on the bottom starboard docking tunnel forward wall
...and speaking of the 'PENSKY' logo, I think I have ID'd one of the unknown decals on the the upper starboard dock tunnel mentioned recently in post #156...the checkered looking one that is about halk-way in appears to be the bottom portion of the same 'PENSKY' logo used for #10...still not sure about the other unknown (kinda looks like an 'X' sideways), really need some better images of it...
MORE SOURCE UPDATES: #11, #12, #122, #126, and #139
Robert nice find on the Burlington decal...but...although there are 'Burlington Route' logos on that sheet I think I found another more likely Microscale candidate for that decal and several more...the Microscale HO Scale 87-15 - Burlington Hood Diesels, Red, White, Gray Diesels
...you can find the 'Burlington' logo #139, the 'SD 45' block #122, the number string used in both #11 and #126 is there, as well as the Yellow & Red Stripes #12 (now we know it was one long strip that was cut into sections) you can notice that there is a thick line and thin line version on the sheet, as can also be seen on the Falcon...
I LIKE it when you can find several decals in one place!
Oh! And one more item ID'd...
ID UPDATE: #100 (#78 and #132)
Looking at images I happened to glance sideways at an image of #100 and realized that it was a cutting off the same decal used for #78 and #132...#100 is the top portion of the 'Transport Leasing' logo found somewhere on an, as yet, unknown source (any ideas?)...
I will look into some of the other ones and post more updates as I can...whew!
imurme
CLARIFICATION: #159
I do still think this is the F-4 RESCUE placard, I think what is making the proportions not look right is that the greeblie part it is sitting on is actually partially covering the bottom portion of the decal...maybe these images can show it a little clearer...
SOURCE UPDATE: #10, #114, and an Unknown
I have found a likely source for decal #10, the R-W-B stripe, found on the rear port wall...it appears to have come from an AMT Penske Racing 1974-5 AMC Matador (the one with the van & trailer)...it is the top portion of the 'PENSKE RACING' logo...this is also the most likely source for #114, the top portion of the AMC logo found on the bottom starboard docking tunnel forward wall
...and speaking of the 'PENSKY' logo, I think I have ID'd one of the unknown decals on the the upper starboard dock tunnel mentioned recently in post #156...the checkered looking one that is about halk-way in appears to be the bottom portion of the same 'PENSKY' logo used for #10...still not sure about the other unknown (kinda looks like an 'X' sideways), really need some better images of it...
MORE SOURCE UPDATES: #11, #12, #122, #126, and #139
Robert nice find on the Burlington decal...but...although there are 'Burlington Route' logos on that sheet I think I found another more likely Microscale candidate for that decal and several more...the Microscale HO Scale 87-15 - Burlington Hood Diesels, Red, White, Gray Diesels
...you can find the 'Burlington' logo #139, the 'SD 45' block #122, the number string used in both #11 and #126 is there, as well as the Yellow & Red Stripes #12 (now we know it was one long strip that was cut into sections) you can notice that there is a thick line and thin line version on the sheet, as can also be seen on the Falcon...
I LIKE it when you can find several decals in one place!
Oh! And one more item ID'd...
ID UPDATE: #100 (#78 and #132)
Looking at images I happened to glance sideways at an image of #100 and realized that it was a cutting off the same decal used for #78 and #132...#100 is the top portion of the 'Transport Leasing' logo found somewhere on an, as yet, unknown source (any ideas?)...
I will look into some of the other ones and post more updates as I can...whew!
imurme
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
I spy Wall-E's face....interesting.
rbeach84
Sr Member
Hey all, I am getting caught up here after being away for a few days...can't walk away for a minute or I miss everything!
CLARIFICATION: #159
I do still think this is the F-4 RESCUE placard, I think what is making the proportions not look right is that the greeblie part it is sitting on is actually partially covering the bottom portion of the decal...maybe these images can show it a little clearer...
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[CONCUR!]
SOURCE UPDATE: #10, #114, and an Unknown
I have found a likely source for decal #10, the R-W-B stripe, found on the rear port wall...it appears to have come from an AMT Penske Racing 1974-5 AMC Matador (the one with the van & trailer)...it is the top portion of the 'PENSKE RACING' logo...this is also the most likely source for #114, the top portion of the AMC logo found on the bottom starboard docking tunnel forward wall
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...and speaking of the 'PENSKY' logo, I think I have ID'd one of the unknown decals on the the upper starboard dock tunnel mentioned recently in post #156...the checkered looking one that is about halk-way in appears to be the bottom portion of the same 'PENSKY' logo used for #10...still not sure about the other unknown (kinda looks like an 'X' sideways), really need some better images of it...
[CONCUR! Great findings!]
MORE SOURCE UPDATES: #11, #12, #122, #126, and #139
Robert nice find on the Burlington decal...but...although there are 'Burlington Route' logos on that sheet I think I found another more likely Microscale candidate for that decal and several more...the Microscale HO Scale 87-15 - Burlington Hood Diesels, Red, White, Gray Diesels
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...you can find the 'Burlington' logo #139, the 'SD 45' block #122, the number string used in both #11 and #126 is there, as well as the Yellow & Red Stripes #12 (now we know it was one long strip that was cut into sections) you can notice that there is a thick line and thin line version on the sheet, as can also be seen on the Falcon...
I LIKE it when you can find several decals in one place!
[CONCUR! I thought the stripe arrays may also have sourced the 'military ribbon' decal under the ramp, but they are lacking the thin red stripes...]
Oh! And one more item ID'd...
ID UPDATE: #100 (#78 and #132)
Looking at images I happened to glance sideways at an image of #100 and realized that it was a cutting off the same decal used for #78 and #132...#100 is the top portion of the 'Transport Leasing' logo found somewhere on an, as yet, unknown source (any ideas?)...
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[Excellent! Of course, we are now looking for the Microscale railroad sheet with these hopper logos on it...]
I will look into some of the other ones and post more updates as I can...whew!
imurme
I will update the tracker with these new findings. Great work!
Regards, Robert
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rbeach84
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Craig, Cool! What is the source / donor kit?
Regards, Robert
rbeach84
Sr Member
Some updates: First, the scrap remnant item #102 has been found on a Microscale decal sheet [HO #87-23 54 ft Center Flow Hoppers] as a trimmed piece from the HERCULES label strip as shown below:
Also, found item #13, the red & white "SDEN" trimmed decal was found on another Microscale decal sheet [HO #RH-24 Pullman-Standard Covered Hoppers] where it was trimmed from the COSDEN logo:
On the same decal sheet is items #78 & #132, trimmed from the TLDX 'Transportation Leasing' logos:
Also found was item #39 ("cat ears on a triangle") trimmed from the EQUITY logo:
And there you go!
Regards, Robert
Also, found item #13, the red & white "SDEN" trimmed decal was found on another Microscale decal sheet [HO #RH-24 Pullman-Standard Covered Hoppers] where it was trimmed from the COSDEN logo:
On the same decal sheet is items #78 & #132, trimmed from the TLDX 'Transportation Leasing' logos:
Also found was item #39 ("cat ears on a triangle") trimmed from the EQUITY logo:
And there you go!
Regards, Robert
Cool finds Robert! You really hit it big with these ones....perhaps better than you thought...
On the Microscale HO #87-23 sheet, the one with the 'Hercules' logo used on the elusive #102 (great eye btw, I would never have spotted that one!), there is another used decal, the 'El Rexene' is the red 'fast' lettering used in #40 (trimmed and cut in half)...
Also, looking on the other sheet, the Microscale HO #RH-24, you may have seen that the 'COSDEN' logo was also used for the odd looking #72, just using a portion of it as well...
And...I have identified the other unknown decal you pointed out back in previous post #156...the small squarish one further out on the Sealab greeblie, I had thought it looked like a sideways X but it actually appears to be text. Looking at more images I found a couple that show it better and I realized it is also found on the Microscale HO #RH-24 sheet...it is the 'do not' label...
Lastley, for now, there was mention of the yellow decal on the bottom side of the starboard docking ring (I believe it is #160 on the tracker) it is a vertical 'RESCUE' arrow often found on aircraft stencil sheets, such as an F-4...
...it's really coming together nicely...just a few more to solve
imurme
On the Microscale HO #87-23 sheet, the one with the 'Hercules' logo used on the elusive #102 (great eye btw, I would never have spotted that one!), there is another used decal, the 'El Rexene' is the red 'fast' lettering used in #40 (trimmed and cut in half)...
Also, looking on the other sheet, the Microscale HO #RH-24, you may have seen that the 'COSDEN' logo was also used for the odd looking #72, just using a portion of it as well...
And...I have identified the other unknown decal you pointed out back in previous post #156...the small squarish one further out on the Sealab greeblie, I had thought it looked like a sideways X but it actually appears to be text. Looking at more images I found a couple that show it better and I realized it is also found on the Microscale HO #RH-24 sheet...it is the 'do not' label...
Lastley, for now, there was mention of the yellow decal on the bottom side of the starboard docking ring (I believe it is #160 on the tracker) it is a vertical 'RESCUE' arrow often found on aircraft stencil sheets, such as an F-4...
...it's really coming together nicely...just a few more to solve
imurme
rbeach84
Sr Member
Thanks very much for your findings, it keeps things moving! I will add these to the updates for tomorrow - I just posted another update to the Tracker onto the website, so missed it "by this much". ;^P
Regards, Robert
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rbeach84
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All, updated the Tracker and Image archive files onto the Hampton Roads Scale Modelers club website; please download the latest and discard the old versions if possible. Link as usual:
hamptonroadscalemodelers.com
Look for the posts on the right for the Millennium Falcon markings...
Cheers!
Robert
hamptonroadscalemodelers.com
Look for the posts on the right for the Millennium Falcon markings...
Cheers!
Robert
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rbeach84
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Another nugget to "chew on": I believe that items #77 & #53 are the same base decal with different
overlaid secondary decals. In fact, in images of #53, you can see the separate 'yellowed' layers of the two decals. With this in mind, can we come up with the source of the bottom decal (the red outlined white rectangle)? I thought it might have come from an old AMT TOS Enterprise (which has a few orange/red outlined 'boxes' on it) but I've not been able to find images of the circa 1970's versions of that kit's decals. Seems I saw something on a Microscale railroading decal sheet, but can't find the way back to it (I may have actually seen that in the hobby shop when I was looking through their selection...) One thing that would help is if we can determine if these two instance are actually the same size; this would also help with the source of the "VMA (AW) 533" decal used on #77. In #53's case, the remaining visible gray decal seems to match the print quality of #26 on the cockpit nose - two of which are included on the source kit decal sheet, AMT's Nitro Funny Car. The dimensions will help to nail this issue down. Anyone got good measures of these from the image references?
Thanks! Robert
overlaid secondary decals. In fact, in images of #53, you can see the separate 'yellowed' layers of the two decals. With this in mind, can we come up with the source of the bottom decal (the red outlined white rectangle)? I thought it might have come from an old AMT TOS Enterprise (which has a few orange/red outlined 'boxes' on it) but I've not been able to find images of the circa 1970's versions of that kit's decals. Seems I saw something on a Microscale railroading decal sheet, but can't find the way back to it (I may have actually seen that in the hobby shop when I was looking through their selection...) One thing that would help is if we can determine if these two instance are actually the same size; this would also help with the source of the "VMA (AW) 533" decal used on #77. In #53's case, the remaining visible gray decal seems to match the print quality of #26 on the cockpit nose - two of which are included on the source kit decal sheet, AMT's Nitro Funny Car. The dimensions will help to nail this issue down. Anyone got good measures of these from the image references?
Thanks! Robert
You are absolutely correct, the red outlined white rectangle is overlaid by the grey #26 off the AMT Nitro Funny Car...you can see it in this older shot...
...in my drawings of the decal, using a scaled 1/25 AMT Nitro Funny Car decal (if I have that scaled correctly), I have come up with these measures for the red outlined white rectangle #53...
height - 22.65 mm
width - 7.79 mm
...not sure how much that will help, but there ya go.
imurme
rbeach84
Sr Member
Great! You must have wonderful archives to keep dredging up these period pix, Imurme! So, with that we can compare to such 'red outlined white boxes' and see if we can find the source (I thought perhaps the 'Danger Blast' rectangles from an F-4, but those have the words in 'em.) BTW, I found the 'VMA (AW) 533" decal is from a Microscale sheet. It appears on a 1/72 scale one, so by measure, I can determine if that is the source of the overlay on the bottom rectangle... that is sheet 72-79, Marine A-6's, which would also provide the small E-Seat warning triangles, the 'inverted rescue panel' decals (the box and triangle...), possibly the 'RESCUE' arrow on the starboard dock ring hatch, the 'pitot static' circles & plus possibly the jet intake warning for the aft underside. The Microscale range of aircraft sheets are a whole new source for researching (operative word being 'search'!)
Fun - fun!
Robert
Fun - fun!
Robert
Forgive me for asking, but are you going to be making decal sheets including all of these findings? And if so when?
The simple answer to your question is...yes...the effort being put into these findings is meant to help everyone reach thier goals, decal-wise. And it is hoped that the access to this information will be of use to anybody interested in the millennium falcon.
Retiredadguy, who started this thread, has been making a great decal set for himself and others to use on there Hasbro builds...As you may know, the Hasbro falcons are not based solely on the larger (5ft) studio scale falcon that these decals are being researched from, but is more of a mix between it and the smaller (32in) studio model that has no decals, and as such his decals are more interpretive and give the 'feel' of the studio decals. The Hasbro falcons are a smaller scale than the studio models and the decals can't really be put in all the same locations either, since the parts are not all there or the same on the Hasbros as on the larger studio model.
As for myself, I have been using the collaborative research here to create a Studio Scale Decal Set, meant to be used on more exact replicas of the larger (5ft) studio model (but could also be used on other falcons)...This set is being made as complete and as accurately as possible and to the correct scale for a full size falcon...I do hope to offer them as decal sheets once they are finished, which they very nearly are, and I will be posting about my set soon in the Studio Scale section of this forum.
rbeach84, who has been such a great organiser of the collected information here, and has even been making updated excel spreadsheets and image files for everyone to keep track of the decals with, has expressed goals of making an alternative set that would be more 'in universe' with Star Wars by using the actual language and fonts shown in the movies...
We each have different directions that we are going with the decals, but it all still depends on the research being done here to build from, and hopefully others are going to also benefit from the shared information in there projects.
I for one am glad to have been part of the team here
imurme
rbeach84
Sr Member
Guys, at some point we'll need to establish a 'sticky' posting... but that is probably a little while off yet. My latest efforts have been to read through the Parts Maps thread(s) and then search for the associated kits' decals - just in case the ILM crew used those as a source of their applied decals.
It is cool they used so much 'aftermarket' in the way of Microscale decals. At that time (mid-70's), MS's catalog was certainly smaller but to what extent smaller I don't know. I have kind of restricted my searches to the lower numbers, but there is a difference in the 1/72 & the 1/48 scale sets (1/48 being much less at the time.) Also, MS tended to reuse designs over time where applicable, or reissue earlier numbered sheets under higher numbers, occasionally with some revisions or improvements. All in all, it just means a lot of 'lookin' at decals' to get things done. With Imurme's help, many of the tattered or missing decs have been resolved, but there are some lingering nags in the two items on the tip of the starboard mandible and the remnant white & blue scrap on the starboard 'wall' between the dock ring and the cockpit tunnel. The hunt continues...
I second the joy of being part of this effort!
Regards, Robert
It is cool they used so much 'aftermarket' in the way of Microscale decals. At that time (mid-70's), MS's catalog was certainly smaller but to what extent smaller I don't know. I have kind of restricted my searches to the lower numbers, but there is a difference in the 1/72 & the 1/48 scale sets (1/48 being much less at the time.) Also, MS tended to reuse designs over time where applicable, or reissue earlier numbered sheets under higher numbers, occasionally with some revisions or improvements. All in all, it just means a lot of 'lookin' at decals' to get things done. With Imurme's help, many of the tattered or missing decs have been resolved, but there are some lingering nags in the two items on the tip of the starboard mandible and the remnant white & blue scrap on the starboard 'wall' between the dock ring and the cockpit tunnel. The hunt continues...
I second the joy of being part of this effort!
Regards, Robert
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