Aliens APC - 1/12 - 37th upd., pg 19

Vos · 03-05-2010, 06:46 AM

Very slick Wasili. This is going to look great. Keep it up!

Lear60man · 03-07-2010, 06:34 PM

Question, what is the wheel base and width?

wasili · 03-08-2010, 02:36 PM

Thanx Vos for the kind words. You've got a really impressive portfolio there, if i may sy so.

Learman60 > The exact width of the APC is 260.35mm or 10.25". Wheelbase is exactly 404.81mm or 15.93". The wheelbase may seem small, but the APC has large wheels and a large nose.

Update:

I machined the left and right side of the nose. And the driver's door.

Here's the door more closeup. The 2 upper slots on the right are there for the hinges. Tomorrow i'm adding the rest of the details of the door.

I've set myself to putting the first parts in silicone before the end of the week, even if they're tiny. Ordered an extra 10 kg batch. And i've started on the mold jacket for the upper body.

Cheers,

Wasili

Lear60man · 03-08-2010, 10:06 PM

Thanks for the mesurement. That will give me enough to start look for donor r/c cars. Keep up the fine work my friend

RickDTM · 03-09-2010, 07:36 PM

Said it before and I'll say it again....damn fine work Wasili.

wasili · 03-13-2010, 12:50 PM

Thanx guys,

Now that each section is getting ready, it's becoming more fun.

Update:

I finished the left side, in between the wheels. This is were the engine service hatches and exhausts were. Did the research, cut the parts and put them together.

Inserts for lower exhaust. This is placed behind the holes in the part, so it becomes deeper. The ridges allow for positioning of the custom etched grilles and an extra ridge over that.

Overall view minus the top panel.

Overall view with top panel in place. The top panel will be machined from both the front and back, from styrene, for each kit. The back then allows for perfect placing of etchings and parts like the propeller.

Did the wheel hub. The outer edge has two ridges instead of one. Haven't seen anyone do that yet. As accurate as i can. I kept the parts seperate so i could play with the depth of the parts in relation to each other. Difficult to make out in the pics, but the middle ridge has an elliptical profile, the outer one a circular one.

And the parts put together. This will hit silicone tomorrow, allow with the first other small parts.

Cheers,

Wasili

swpropmaker · 03-13-2010, 09:16 PM

Nice work! cant wait for the kit!

Steve

LastBattlestar · 03-14-2010, 06:46 AM

Great job Wasili! What is the O.D. of your wheels and tyres? I'm wondering if they are close enough to fit my APC build?

I'm very interested in the tyres, especially the correct tread pattern.

Mike

wasili · 03-15-2010, 04:28 PM

Thanx Steve, Mike,

Mike, the OD of the wheels is 141.6mm, give or take a few .1mm's.

Update:

Machined the inside of the nose corners, so they would become lighter, and would easily fit the existing styrene frame. Machined the sidelights and door outline. Here's the inside view

Outside view.

Outside view with door in place. The dooropening is 1.5mm offset. On the back of the door is a piece of styrene that fits perfectly inside the dooropening. The kit will have a seperate door with working hinges, so you can play around with it of you want. No interior though.

Some of the details for the engine service hatches. The boxes fit behind the holes in the larger panel in the picture. The left box has a fan (not present yet), which is not dead center, it's lower. The hub of the fan is in between the boxes, and fits a hole in the box. The two tiny brass pieces are the start of the hinges of the drivers door.

Next to that on wednesday i have the etchings and the drytransfers for the enitre run going out to my suppliers, and will have them back monday or tuesday. Also wednesday the new 3d file for the tyres (and some of the greeblies on the rear deck) goes out to be sla'ed (stereolithographed). Back on monday. Was making that out of seperate pieces, but was a pain to finish.

The build is going very fast now. Tomorrow sees the main access door, greeblies on top of the nose, the frame in front of the main light and the start of the armor blocks on the top.

I'll be posting in the JY from tomorrow with an introduction to the kit, parts breakdown, price and whatever other info that might be useful.

Cheers,

Wasili

spacemarine · 03-15-2010, 06:32 PM

Awesome work Wasili, looking forward to seeing it finished.

Karl...

Lear60man · 03-16-2010, 10:24 PM

Looking Beautiful. This is a home run, cant wait for the JY thread!

CB2001 · 03-17-2010, 06:23 AM

Man, this is awesome! You would make James Cameron proud!

wasili · 03-17-2010, 05:54 PM

You guys are too kind.........

The build has been stepped up in the past week. I am now working on this full-time, 24-7, so not just in the wee hours. Suppliers have been supplied with files for drytransfers, etchings and 3d print parts. Masterpattern parts are being finished bit by bit on a daily basis. I have some nice pics up on friday.

I've posted a thread in the JY here at http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=82126

I'll update both threads where appropriate, but all sales or salesinquiries should be in the JY thread.

Oh, and today i found 6 tins of Humbrol brown bess. Quite happy there

Cheers,

Wasili

TECKNOVIKING · 03-18-2010, 04:28 AM

Your doing an amazing job with this project, I look forward to Friday & seeing the new photos.

Jason

swpropmaker · 03-18-2010, 10:09 AM

Can you do us a favor and put a paint swab of color brown bess in the kit? Just a sample so we can try to match it?

Steve

wasili · 03-18-2010, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swpropmaker

Can you do us a favor and put a paint swab of color brown bess in the kit? Just a sample so we can try to match it?

Steve

Hey,

That's a good idea. Hadn't thought of that. Will spray a batch of styrene or acrylic strips and include it in the kit.

And thanx Jason / Technoking for the kind words.

Cheers,

Wasili

swpropmaker · 03-18-2010, 01:33 PM

Thanks man thats awsome! Look like Ive got to make a 1/12 dropship for this to go with! I just did the calcs on the DS it would be 7.5feet long!

Steve

wasili · 03-18-2010, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swpropmaker

Thanks man thats awsome! Look like Ive got to make a 1/12 dropship for this to go with! I just did the calcs on the DS it would be 7.5feet long!

Steve

Hey Steve, that's even studio scale..

LastBattlestar · 03-19-2010, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasili

Mike, the OD of the wheels is 141.6mm, give or take a few .1mm's.

Thanks Wasili. It looks we are definitely working at slightly different scales. My wheels (including tyres) calculated out at about 122mm O.D. I hope it looks OK!

Great work on this model. The precision of your parts is impressive to say the least, especially after looking at my hand cut/sanded pieces.

Regarding the Brown Bess colour, what's that for, overall hull colour?

Don't worry Steve, you're not the only one mentally planning out 7 foot Dropship to park the APC in. It would be a nice way to keep the dust off it!

Mike

wasili · 03-20-2010, 05:20 PM

Hey Mike,

Those wheels are large, reallife ca. 170cm dia.. I'm not sure what you base your info on, but if it's one of the kits, those may be relatively too small.

The brown bess is indeed the overall hull color. I didn't know that before but the artdept on Aliens used Humbrol 170 aka Brown Bess as a base color, which was then matched and mixed in large batches for the dropship and APC. This Humbrol color is rare as it's out of production. So i was lucky when i got these in the mail yesterday.

Small update:

Body masterpattern is nearing completion. Filled the top chamfers/corners along the length of the body on both sides, did those by hand, no cnc there. Fitted the new side nose corners. I have since completed the driver window section.

Right side. Chamfers filled. Nose corner fitted. Missing a small corner there on the top. The holes for both the main access door and the grille / vent behind the door have since been cut out.

Driver window insert + cnc cut 1.0mm acrylic windows. Acrylic still has protective film on top. Window frame still needs rivet detailling.

Reverse side. The frame is 1.5mm thick, but the reverse has a 1.0mm deep slot, so the windows fit in perfectly. From the front it then looks the frame is only 0.5mm to the window, without loosing integral strength.

More pics later.

Cheers,

Wasili

LastBattlestar · 03-20-2010, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasili

Hey Mike,

Those wheels are large, reallife ca. 170cm dia.. I'm not sure what you base your info on, but if it's one of the kits, those may be relatively too small.

I hope not.

The temporary wheels I have here are 120-ish mm O.D. and seem to look OK. What do you think?

I'm really impressed at how your project is coming together, Wasili. Really sharp!

Mike

wasili · 03-21-2010, 08:47 AM

Mike,

Just now i rechecked the OD of the wheels, and i come out at 136.65mm, which is still off from yours but smaller than the dim i stated before.

That said, i am now rechecking the whole tires/wheelhub setup to see if i didn't make a mistake somewhere.

One other thing is that the wheel wells of both the full-size and filming miniature were hollow. They are not like the Halcyon kit. Halcyon most likely added those 45degree chasms for ease of injection molding production. There is more space above the wheel. The front wheel nearly touches the fairing of the well when looked at en-profil.

Cheers,

Wasili

LastBattlestar · 03-21-2010, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasili

Mike,

Just now i rechecked the OD of the wheels, and i come out at 136.65mm, which is still off from yours but smaller than the dim i stated before.

Your rubber tyres are now a closer fit to my smaller wheels!

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasili

One other thing is that the wheel wells of both the full-size and filming miniature were hollow. They are not like the Halcyon kit. Halcyon most likely added those 45degree chasms for ease of injection molding production. There is more space above the wheel. The front wheel nearly touches the fairing of the well when looked at en-profil.

Yeah, I found out that info when I saw the pic below, AFTER I'd built in the wheel wells with the angle...

So, it looks like the wells just have vertical front and rear walls?

Oh, another thing if you don't mind, is the rear mudguard boxed-in or just a single C-section if you know what I mean?

Thanks mate, Mike

wasili · 03-21-2010, 10:20 AM

Mike,

Re: the rear mudguard, the blueprint describes boxed in. But there's no pics to prove that, and all the scenes are too dark to see that.

Cheers,

Wasili

LastBattlestar · 03-21-2010, 05:59 PM

Thanks mate, I'll have to box them in to hide the rear lights wiring, so thanks anyway!

I have the main hull in primer now.

Mike

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03-05-2010, 06:46 AM	#51
Vos Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: London Posts: 2,381	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 10th update, page 2 Very slick Wasili. This is going to look great. Keep it up!

03-07-2010, 06:34 PM	#52
Lear60man RPF Janitor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 918	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 10th update, page 2 Question, what is the wheel base and width?

03-08-2010, 02:36 PM	#53
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 10th update, page 2 Thanx Vos for the kind words. You've got a really impressive portfolio there, if i may sy so. Learman60 > The exact width of the APC is 260.35mm or 10.25". Wheelbase is exactly 404.81mm or 15.93". The wheelbase may seem small, but the APC has large wheels and a large nose. Update: I machined the left and right side of the nose. And the driver's door. Here's the door more closeup. The 2 upper slots on the right are there for the hinges. Tomorrow i'm adding the rest of the details of the door. I've set myself to putting the first parts in silicone before the end of the week, even if they're tiny. Ordered an extra 10 kg batch. And i've started on the mold jacket for the upper body. Cheers, Wasili

03-08-2010, 10:06 PM	#54
Lear60man RPF Janitor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 918	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 11th update, page 3 Thanks for the mesurement. That will give me enough to start look for donor r/c cars. Keep up the fine work my friend

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03-09-2010, 07:36 PM	#55
RickDTM Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 475	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 11th update, page 3 Said it before and I'll say it again....damn fine work Wasili.

03-13-2010, 12:50 PM	#56
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 11th update, page 3 Thanx guys, Now that each section is getting ready, it's becoming more fun. Update: I finished the left side, in between the wheels. This is were the engine service hatches and exhausts were. Did the research, cut the parts and put them together. Inserts for lower exhaust. This is placed behind the holes in the part, so it becomes deeper. The ridges allow for positioning of the custom etched grilles and an extra ridge over that. Overall view minus the top panel. Overall view with top panel in place. The top panel will be machined from both the front and back, from styrene, for each kit. The back then allows for perfect placing of etchings and parts like the propeller. Did the wheel hub. The outer edge has two ridges instead of one. Haven't seen anyone do that yet. As accurate as i can. I kept the parts seperate so i could play with the depth of the parts in relation to each other. Difficult to make out in the pics, but the middle ridge has an elliptical profile, the outer one a circular one. And the parts put together. This will hit silicone tomorrow, allow with the first other small parts. Cheers, Wasili

03-13-2010, 09:16 PM	#57
swpropmaker Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,313	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 12th update, page 3 Nice work! cant wait for the kit! Steve

03-14-2010, 06:46 AM	#58
LastBattlestar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 125	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 12th update, page 3 Great job Wasili! What is the O.D. of your wheels and tyres? I'm wondering if they are close enough to fit my APC build? I'm very interested in the tyres, especially the correct tread pattern. Mike

03-15-2010, 04:28 PM	#59
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 12th update, page 3 Thanx Steve, Mike, Mike, the OD of the wheels is 141.6mm, give or take a few .1mm's. Update: Machined the inside of the nose corners, so they would become lighter, and would easily fit the existing styrene frame. Machined the sidelights and door outline. Here's the inside view Outside view. Outside view with door in place. The dooropening is 1.5mm offset. On the back of the door is a piece of styrene that fits perfectly inside the dooropening. The kit will have a seperate door with working hinges, so you can play around with it of you want. No interior though. Some of the details for the engine service hatches. The boxes fit behind the holes in the larger panel in the picture. The left box has a fan (not present yet), which is not dead center, it's lower. The hub of the fan is in between the boxes, and fits a hole in the box. The two tiny brass pieces are the start of the hinges of the drivers door. Next to that on wednesday i have the etchings and the drytransfers for the enitre run going out to my suppliers, and will have them back monday or tuesday. Also wednesday the new 3d file for the tyres (and some of the greeblies on the rear deck) goes out to be sla'ed (stereolithographed). Back on monday. Was making that out of seperate pieces, but was a pain to finish. The build is going very fast now. Tomorrow sees the main access door, greeblies on top of the nose, the frame in front of the main light and the start of the armor blocks on the top. I'll be posting in the JY from tomorrow with an introduction to the kit, parts breakdown, price and whatever other info that might be useful. Cheers, Wasili

03-15-2010, 06:32 PM	#60
spacemarine Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Dunfermline, Scotland. Posts: 78	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 12th update, page 3 Awesome work Wasili, looking forward to seeing it finished. Karl...

03-16-2010, 10:24 PM	#61
Lear60man RPF Janitor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 918	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Looking Beautiful. This is a home run, cant wait for the JY thread!

03-17-2010, 06:23 AM	#62
CB2001 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Florida Posts: 3,392	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Man, this is awesome! You would make James Cameron proud!

03-17-2010, 05:54 PM	#63
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 You guys are too kind......... The build has been stepped up in the past week. I am now working on this full-time, 24-7, so not just in the wee hours. Suppliers have been supplied with files for drytransfers, etchings and 3d print parts. Masterpattern parts are being finished bit by bit on a daily basis. I have some nice pics up on friday. I've posted a thread in the JY here at http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=82126 I'll update both threads where appropriate, but all sales or salesinquiries should be in the JY thread. Oh, and today i found 6 tins of Humbrol brown bess. Quite happy there Cheers, Wasili

03-18-2010, 04:28 AM	#64
TECKNOVIKING Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 103	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Your doing an amazing job with this project, I look forward to Friday & seeing the new photos. Jason

03-18-2010, 10:09 AM	#65
swpropmaker Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,313	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Can you do us a favor and put a paint swab of color brown bess in the kit? Just a sample so we can try to match it? Steve

03-18-2010, 01:33 PM	#67
swpropmaker Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,313	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Thanks man thats awsome! Look like Ive got to make a 1/12 dropship for this to go with! I just did the calcs on the DS it would be 7.5feet long! Steve Last edited by swpropmaker; 03-18-2010 at 02:33 PM.

03-20-2010, 05:20 PM	#70
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 13th update, page 3 Hey Mike, Those wheels are large, reallife ca. 170cm dia.. I'm not sure what you base your info on, but if it's one of the kits, those may be relatively too small. The brown bess is indeed the overall hull color. I didn't know that before but the artdept on Aliens used Humbrol 170 aka Brown Bess as a base color, which was then matched and mixed in large batches for the dropship and APC. This Humbrol color is rare as it's out of production. So i was lucky when i got these in the mail yesterday. Small update: Body masterpattern is nearing completion. Filled the top chamfers/corners along the length of the body on both sides, did those by hand, no cnc there. Fitted the new side nose corners. I have since completed the driver window section. Right side. Chamfers filled. Nose corner fitted. Missing a small corner there on the top. The holes for both the main access door and the grille / vent behind the door have since been cut out. Driver window insert + cnc cut 1.0mm acrylic windows. Acrylic still has protective film on top. Window frame still needs rivet detailling. Reverse side. The frame is 1.5mm thick, but the reverse has a 1.0mm deep slot, so the windows fit in perfectly. From the front it then looks the frame is only 0.5mm to the window, without loosing integral strength. More pics later. Cheers, Wasili

03-21-2010, 08:47 AM	#72
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 14th update, page 3 Mike, Just now i rechecked the OD of the wheels, and i come out at 136.65mm, which is still off from yours but smaller than the dim i stated before. That said, i am now rechecking the whole tires/wheelhub setup to see if i didn't make a mistake somewhere. One other thing is that the wheel wells of both the full-size and filming miniature were hollow. They are not like the Halcyon kit. Halcyon most likely added those 45degree chasms for ease of injection molding production. There is more space above the wheel. The front wheel nearly touches the fairing of the well when looked at en-profil. Cheers, Wasili

03-21-2010, 10:20 AM	#74
wasili Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 379	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 14th update, page 3 Mike, Re: the rear mudguard, the blueprint describes boxed in. But there's no pics to prove that, and all the scenes are too dark to see that. Cheers, Wasili

03-21-2010, 05:59 PM	#75
LastBattlestar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 125	Re: Aliens APC - 1/12 - 28 1/4" long 14th update, page 3 Thanks mate, I'll have to box them in to hide the rear lights wiring, so thanks anyway! I have the main hull in primer now. Mike

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