ROTJ Speederbike reference needed

ralphee

Great work both of you, love the kickstand find, a mean eye for that pipe on the inside edge.

I could be persuaded to actually build this one, not sure, concepts dont float my boat all that much these days, but i still think that inner body is a shuttle hull, just think it would have to be a one piece body work confirm that maybe....or, maybe not going by the assembled, then cut 312T body?

Possibly a little more went into the inner body, and that actually built the shuttle hull? Just that upper hull curvature smacks me in the face everytime.

Only thing close would be the main body from the 312b, but that seems to shallow and doesnt have a straight side profile.

lee

joewhite

Thanks, Lee! Yeah, kbilly hit it out of the ballpark with that one!

I wasn't thinking shuttle body until kbilly made me realize that many of us had been wrong thinking the 1/72 Shuttle. After looking at the 1/144 shuttles, you're theory may be correct. The 1/144 have more of a one piece body (halves) as compared to the 1/72. Maybe kbilly can slip his proposed A2 over one of his shuttle bodies to check for a snug fit. That would confirm two parts in question.

I'm looking at G30, possibly G31, as being donors for the footpads. The starboard one shares some features except for what appears to be railing underneath or on the side of it. The side profile shows a fairly flat footpad (except for probably added parts) and the 3/4 view shows what might be the three holes on the back. Just a hunch.



I'm also messing around with the front 312T brake part and what I think it is attached to based off of the filming miniature.

kbilly

Seems like we all have these shapes in our heads that we just can't get past. I snapped a pic of the shuttle and the flak part I think may a possible for the bike. The shuttle has probably has the same outside radius as the flak part but not the same inside radius, so I don't think they would go together. Either one or the other... or neither

marvin

Just a headsup, the Entex shuttle is the same as the Minicraft shuttle which is a lot easier to find. I just got mine today and I can confirm that the kits are the same and that it is the shuttle version we are looking for.

Marvin

P.S. These are the high res plans I posted at Studio Scale Modelers mentioned by Joe in the next post.

joewhite

Here is where we are at currently. Marvin posted the blueprints over at Studio Scale Modelers.

With that in hand, you can see several clues as to what was there. Marvin, kbilly and I believe that these were the hybrid plans for the full sized bike. As were discovering, it may have shared more characteristics of the maquette than originally thought.


First, there is some additional linkage behind the BT46 C15. Turns out it might also be another part from the BT46....#C38 and C39...modified, I'm assuming. The yellow line shows the length the part must be. C38 and C39 fits in there perfectly. Plus the blueprints show a diamond shape in that area.








The next part kbilly and I sorta ID'd it at the same time. Again, going off of clues from the blueprint, we came to the conclusion that the details matched that of Flak 38 part #A1. After a closer look, you can pick out the details in the 3/4 shot of the maquette. Check out our progress at Studio Scale Modelers....kbilly shows more undeniable evidence.











Here is everything together....loosely. Turning to the blueprints again, you can see that 312T part #D22 is in fact the part in the vane section. I also put in the brake parts....the one between the forks is BT44 and the one in the vane section, 312T.






And here are some other guesses I'm throwing out there...

kbilly id'd C14 from the BT46 as a part in the vane section according to the blueprints. With that, C34 has to be in there as well. Look at the notched box shape and shaft in the blueprints. You can make out details in the 3/4 maquette view as well.

I wouldn't doubt that C33 is in there, too.





And this is not 100%, but I'm calling 312T #G8 or G9 as possible donors for the vane center ornament/pitot tube.





Also, 312T part #'s G17 and G18 share similar features as the parts on the forks just above A2 of the Flak 38...right where the nose of the scooter ends.





And the gun assembly. I just figured out that the Flak 38 gun is positioned sideways. What appeared as sprue remains hanging underneath the gun is actually the detail on the gun. I've imagined C4 from the BT46 as being the rounded mount on the bottom of the 312B body. Then there is one more part that goes in-between the gun and mount.







Is anyone else seeing 1/12 hose mounts for the 4 small "vent" tubes on the rear of the bike?

Speaking of the rear....I think 312T #D21 is the rear butt plate. The actual shape matches.....plus the overhead sketch view matches the details of the thin wall and notch in the center.




Joe

Scott Graham

Wow! You guys are good. This is great!

HorrorFan

I would love to have a full size version of this.

marvin

Great summary Joe. I agree on the flak part instead of the messerschmitt a-frames. I had been looking at the BT46 parts in between the vanes as well and I think you' re right on those as well.

Part on 312T buttplate looks to be the bt44 manifold also used on the cloud car guns.

Arent those just both round bt46 round parts stacked on top of eachother holding the gun in place?

Part C16 as the curved bar under the back side of the engine, see the bottom view of the plans.

Marvin

joewhite

I had been looking at C16 as well....I agree with you there.

As for the buttplate parts...right....manifold is what I meant....not hose mounts. Hehe!

I thought about the two round parts stacked but in the pic, the bottom one looks smaller. It could modifications or the pic at an angle. Not sure.

joe

dragnink

Nice job id-ing with such poor ref. Did you guys catch this one?





Parts 16, E sprue from the 1/12 BT44B.

ralphee

Yeah said it was a mirror, guessed at Ferrari, but there ya have it. Great work guys.

lee

MonsieurTox

Some more BT46 parts, took me some time to figure how everything was assembled, but it came out fine !

joewhite

Yeah, I clearly see it alone now! Yeah, we threw the idea of that part being the ornament over at Studio Scale ModelerS but I personally was back and forth because I kept seeing the part below in yellow next to it and thought it was a part of it. So I imagined it looked like G8 from the 312T in that the nose of it was cut off. Cool!

Cool, Julien...yup that's how it goes together! It sucks, The BT44 fins are the only parts I don't have in the vane section! It's cool to see it all together! Brings a tear to my eye!



Joe

Scott Graham

And Julien is already building it...nice!

joewhite

Julien, just thought I'd let you know that the 312T brake part in your vane section is on slightly wrong. The ribs go underneath the D22 part. Just thought I'd let you know in case you haven't glued them down yet.


So it also turns out that the G17 and G18 parts might have a home on the forks after all! As kbilly mentioned, they slip right over the A2 with little modifying.





Joe

ralphee

Thats actually, really sexy lol, hmm, yeah i have al the parts now, but, maybe having it unpainted would help, as there is NO way i could plaster that hoopty camo on it lol.
Awesome work Julien, so clean.

lee

MonsieurTox

Thanks Joe !

I'll change that

Yeah I think those parts are right they fit the trailer part very well and match the drawings !

MonsieurTox

Thanks Lee,

Haha yeah that camo is... ugly ! I was thinking do it with the airbrush (looks like they used a brush to do it ?) or just paint it like the SS model... I would love to let it unpainted but... my work is not that clean

I had all the parts too (except the Shuttle but I was needing it for the Slave One ), that's a good model to use all those leftovers ! And that's so fun to build something 100% kitbashed (like the pods ).

MonsieurTox

On a side note, the trailer part from the Flakvierling38 need to be cut in half to reduce its width ! (already built this assembly but cant take pics now sorry)

Scott Graham

This is just a bit more awesome than the IDs on that throwaway ROTJ ship that used the lightning and slave parts. I never knew until you guys started this that you could make a speeder bike of kit parts! Now, what the heck is that box with the ribs under the rear?!

joewhite

Julien,
If you mean the A2, then I think I'm gonna have to disagree about cutting it in half. I don't believe that the tabs on the A2 are meant to fit perfectly underneath the 312T nose. As a matter of fact, I think it's the tabs that may be chopped a bit.

Joe

MonsieurTox

Scott, I dont know but the theory of the shuttle body sounds good to me !

Joe, I tried the 2 options but if you dont reduce the width of the trailer chassis, the spacing between the forks is wrong ! I cant claim Im sure thats what they did, but thats I think. The forks spacing is given by the vane assembly...

Scott Graham

And those things that look like vertical ribs on the side of it look like that flak trailer frame again? Just many of them lined up?

I say that because they seem to have a squarer section on the maquette, and you see the seam lines. Whereas the one used for filming has rounder sections like cylinders.

Edit: now I see how kbilly was comparing them in a post above!

joewhite

Hmmmm...ok, that sounds feasible, then. I won't start chopping yet, but I will certainly keep it in mind.

Joe

joewhite

This may have been obvious to others but I just noticed it.

The forward edge of upper 132B part is not cut at a 90 degree angle like I thought. It actually retains the kit part body shape with the forward angle. The blueprints show this and looking at the side shot ref pic, you can see the corner on the top left of the 312B part. Overall, it has a trapeziod (or trapezium) shape and tucks in under the 312T nose. The back edge is obviously a cut into the kit part.



Joe