ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help

seven · 02-11-2011, 04:04 PM

I have searched through studioscale.com and came up empty on any positive ID's, (unless I just skimmed too fast and didn’t recognize it when I saw it) so I am turning to the experts for help.

The attached images are from a few different kits that I suspect are a frame/body of a race car, a plane similar to the Bandi Shiden and possibly a Revell Phantom. But I’m not ruling anything out at this time.

The ship is from ROTJ to help give a time era. I've scaled the images, so they should be 1:1 (studio scale 1:1, not life size). Some iamges (first two for example) are the same part but top and side views.

What do you guys think?

top

side

bottom

side

Confirmed Kits:
2x - MPC Star Ware ESB Slave I #8768
1x - Guillow's 1/16 Lockheed P-38L Lightning Balsa #2001
1x - Tamiya 1/350 German Battleship Tirpitz #78015
1x - Tamiya 1/72 VOSPER Fast Patrol Boat Perkasa #79004
2x - Tamiya 1/35 German 88mm Gun Flak 36/37 #35017
1x - Tamiya 1/25 Ferrari 312T4 F-1 Champion Car #12035
1x - Revell 1/25 Volvo Globetrotter #7405
1x - Hasegawa 1/32 F-16A Fighting Falcon #1202

What do we know about this miniature...?
Model was made sometime between 1981 and May of 1983.
Referenced as the ROJ GB Ship (short for Return of the Jedi Background Ship?)
Model maker is: unknown
1983 - Ship appeared in two scenes in Jedi
1) Rebel fleet are about to jump to lightspeed
2) During the space battle. MF flys by it
1998 - Photo of the ROJ BG ship was published in Star Wars Chronicles
Referred to as the Y-Head Corvette(?)
2006 - Hyperspace contest "What's the story", Ello 137 creates backstory for the ship (AKA EU). where it was renamed to the Dornean Gunship (aka the Braha'tok & the Torktarak)

edit:added photos, cuz everyone loves photos

(Attached photos are the same above)

MonsieurTox · 02-11-2011, 04:34 PM

I dont know if I have a problem on my side but the quality of the pics is so bad I can only see big pixels.

seven · 02-11-2011, 05:56 PM

The pics are pretty low/poor quality, as I cannot find any at a higher res.

I don't know if it helps any, but here is a ruff outline of each part (least, what I can make out). Image 1 is the first bmp (new image (1).bmp), and proceeds down.

tk1608 · 02-11-2011, 07:32 PM

I dunno if this helps or not but this pic reminds me of the tail of a P38 lightning WWII fighter..they had air intakes/scoops on the tail booms..

And this one..I'm not sure if this is just the one above from a different angle or not... reminds me of the belly intake of a P51 Mustang, it looks like there's the flap/door that opens further back. Also the part with the red arrow looks like a part of the stand for the AMT Slave One. I haven't looked at the kit for a while, but it looks familiar..I could dig it out and take a pic if you like..

Are these pics from one of the background ships from the rebel fleet in ROTJ ?

Cheers

Phil

kbilly · 02-11-2011, 08:04 PM

Revell P-38 Lightning

http://i.imgur.com/obgXB.jpg

seven · 02-11-2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk1608

...the tail of a P38 lightning WWII fighter..

Awesome! thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk1608

And this one..I'm not sure if this is just the one above from a different angle or not...

it is

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk1608

...Also the part with the red arrow looks like a part of the stand for the AMT Slave One

it is the slave 1. that's the one kit I do have

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk1608

Are these pics from one of the background ships from the rebel fleet in ROTJ ?
Cheers
Phil

yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbilly

Revell P-38 Lightning
http://i.imgur.com/obgXB.jpg

is there a larger scale of this plane? I believe that the tail boom intakes are around 3" in length (2x the scale shown)

Scratchy · 02-11-2011, 08:18 PM

That's the Braha'tok-class gunship (aka ROJ BG Ship), here's a link,

Braha'tok-class gunship - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

You'll also need a couple MPC Slave I's, there are two sensor dishes, one on each side, and possibly one on the back end. The front end is made from the wing cowlings that are on the side of Slave I. You can also see the Slave I's wings on this ship, and on the top.

There's a picture of it on the opposite page of the table of contents in Sculpting a Galaxy.

seven · 02-11-2011, 08:34 PM

Correct, I'm plan on building the ROJ BG ship.

The first positive ID is the MPC/AMT Slave I 2x

The ship measures a little over 1'-9" in length

seven · 02-11-2011, 10:51 PM

First pics of the day

tk1608 · 02-12-2011, 02:42 AM

Cool !....on the three pic set, again not 100% sure but, top pic just aft of the P38 section, there looks like there could be some F15 intakes maybe...dunno kinda reminds me of that. And bottom pic at the rear end there looks to be a sidewinder missile rail..

Phil

seven · 02-12-2011, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk1608

Cool !....on the three pic set, again not 100% sure but, top pic just aft of the P38 section, there looks like there could be some F15 intakes maybe...dunno kinda reminds me of that. And bottom pic at the rear end there looks to be a sidewinder missile rail..
Phil

Thanks for the help

Scott Graham · 02-12-2011, 08:47 PM

Just noticed all those parts hanging off top and bottom of those pics above must be parts of the slave one kit too. Specifically the wings. And the dishes either side are from the slave too. Used the whole kit pretty much didn't they?!

MonsieurTox · 02-13-2011, 06:17 AM

Very interesting subject !

Now that's true kitbash

Good job so far, not so easy to ID parts from those low rez pics, but they're better than nothing and are still a good base ! Keep up the good work !

seven · 02-13-2011, 10:13 AM

joewhite · 02-13-2011, 12:29 PM

Wow! And I thought I hated the MPC Slave 1 kit! Cool so far!!!!

The only thing I can see besides the Slave i parts is that the neck (suspected P38 intake/tail) is made up of two identical parts glued back to back symmetrically.

Joe

seven · 02-13-2011, 05:50 PM

That's what I am seeing too. Hopefully then I should only need one P38 as it has two tails

almar bouwman · 02-13-2011, 10:36 PM

May sound like a dumb question, but are the AMT and the MPC Slave1 models the same?
Other than that, very interesting thread. Will follow this closely. Keep up the good work.

Rats · 02-13-2011, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by almar bouwman

May sound like a dumb question, but are the AMT and the MPC Slave1 models the same?
Other than that, very interesting thread. Will follow this closely. Keep up the good work.

Yep. They even got released as Airfix kits too.

seven · 02-14-2011, 10:10 AM

MonsieurTox · 02-14-2011, 12:35 PM

That's coming along nicely !

Scott Graham · 02-14-2011, 12:59 PM

The whole slave kit is going to be used on it, eh?!

ID'ing the rest is going to be interesting...so little reference

roberto · 02-14-2011, 04:37 PM

I think this ship is very interesting. The old fashioned way to make models

Most of the parts are recognizable, but what parts they used to make the main body??

Go Flight · 02-14-2011, 05:13 PM

It amazes me how you guys can pick out individual kit parts like that.
I never even saw that ship in ROTJ. Will be watching this thread with interest!

seven · 02-14-2011, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roberto

I think this ship is very interesting...

At first I found this ship to be quite ugly, but it has started to grow on me

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Flight

...I never even saw that ship in ROTJ...

It didn't have a big part

If you blink while watching ROTJ you might miss it

It is right here:

Apophis · 02-14-2011, 07:52 PM

in post #11 you can see an engine top to a twelve cylinder engine, perhaps from the tamiya 1/12 ferrari 312t.
http://www.studioscale.com/images/Ki...T%201-12/d.jpg

or from the tamiya 1/20 brabham bt46.
http://www.studioscale.com/images/Ki...%20Romeo/3.jpg

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02-11-2011, 07:32 PM	#4
tk1608 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leeds U.K. Posts: 574	Re: Need some Help on some Kit ID's on ROTJ Ship I dunno if this helps or not but this pic reminds me of the tail of a P38 lightning WWII fighter..they had air intakes/scoops on the tail booms.. And this one..I'm not sure if this is just the one above from a different angle or not... reminds me of the belly intake of a P51 Mustang, it looks like there's the flap/door that opens further back. Also the part with the red arrow looks like a part of the stand for the AMT Slave One. I haven't looked at the kit for a while, but it looks familiar..I could dig it out and take a pic if you like.. Are these pics from one of the background ships from the rebel fleet in ROTJ ? Cheers Phil Last edited by tk1608; 02-11-2011 at 07:44 PM.

02-11-2011, 08:04 PM	#5
kbilly Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 129	Re: Need some Help on some Kit ID's on ROTJ Ship Revell P-38 Lightning http://i.imgur.com/obgXB.jpg

02-11-2011, 10:51 PM	#9
seven Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,037	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help First pics of the day Attached Thumbnails Last edited by seven; 06-13-2011 at 04:48 PM.

02-12-2011, 02:42 AM	#10
tk1608 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leeds U.K. Posts: 574	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Cool !....on the three pic set, again not 100% sure but, top pic just aft of the P38 section, there looks like there could be some F15 intakes maybe...dunno kinda reminds me of that. And bottom pic at the rear end there looks to be a sidewinder missile rail.. Phil

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02-11-2011, 04:34 PM	#2
MonsieurTox Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Paris, France Posts: 2,807	Re: Need some Help on some Kit ID's on ROTJ Ship I dont know if I have a problem on my side but the quality of the pics is so bad I can only see big pixels.

02-11-2011, 08:18 PM	#7
Scratchy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Langley, British Columbia Canada Posts: 536	Re: Need some Help on some Kit ID's on ROTJ Ship That's the Braha'tok-class gunship (aka ROJ BG Ship), here's a link, Braha'tok-class gunship - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki You'll also need a couple MPC Slave I's, there are two sensor dishes, one on each side, and possibly one on the back end. The front end is made from the wing cowlings that are on the side of Slave I. You can also see the Slave I's wings on this ship, and on the top. There's a picture of it on the opposite page of the table of contents in Sculpting a Galaxy. Last edited by Scratchy; 02-11-2011 at 08:26 PM.

02-11-2011, 08:34 PM	#8
seven Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,037	Re: ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Correct, I'm plan on building the ROJ BG ship. The first positive ID is the MPC/AMT Slave I 2x The ship measures a little over 1'-9" in length Attached Thumbnails Last edited by seven; 05-02-2011 at 12:18 PM.

02-12-2011, 08:47 PM	#12
Scott Graham Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,022	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Just noticed all those parts hanging off top and bottom of those pics above must be parts of the slave one kit too. Specifically the wings. And the dishes either side are from the slave too. Used the whole kit pretty much didn't they?!

02-13-2011, 06:17 AM	#13
MonsieurTox Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Paris, France Posts: 2,807	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Very interesting subject ! Now that's true kitbash Good job so far, not so easy to ID parts from those low rez pics, but they're better than nothing and are still a good base ! Keep up the good work !

02-13-2011, 10:13 AM	#14
seven Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,037	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2011, 12:29 PM	#15
joewhite Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 394	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Wow! And I thought I hated the MPC Slave 1 kit! Cool so far!!!! The only thing I can see besides the Slave i parts is that the neck (suspected P38 intake/tail) is made up of two identical parts glued back to back symmetrically. Joe

02-13-2011, 05:50 PM	#16
seven Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,037	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help That's what I am seeing too. Hopefully then I should only need one P38 as it has two tails

02-13-2011, 10:36 PM	#17
almar bouwman Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands Posts: 465	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help May sound like a dumb question, but are the AMT and the MPC Slave1 models the same? Other than that, very interesting thread. Will follow this closely. Keep up the good work.

02-14-2011, 10:10 AM	#19
seven Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,037	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help Attached Thumbnails

02-14-2011, 12:35 PM	#20
MonsieurTox Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Paris, France Posts: 2,807	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help That's coming along nicely !

02-14-2011, 12:59 PM	#21
Scott Graham Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,022	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help The whole slave kit is going to be used on it, eh?! ID'ing the rest is going to be interesting...so little reference

02-14-2011, 04:37 PM	#22
roberto Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 9	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help I think this ship is very interesting. The old fashioned way to make models Most of the parts are recognizable, but what parts they used to make the main body??

02-14-2011, 05:13 PM	#23
Go Flight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 19	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help It amazes me how you guys can pick out individual kit parts like that. I never even saw that ship in ROTJ. Will be watching this thread with interest!

02-14-2011, 07:52 PM	#25
Apophis Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fishersville, Va/Chulak Posts: 742	Re: ROTJ ROJ BG Dornean Gunship Kit ID's help in post #11 you can see an engine top to a twelve cylinder engine, perhaps from the tamiya 1/12 ferrari 312t. http://www.studioscale.com/images/Ki...T%201-12/d.jpg or from the tamiya 1/20 brabham bt46. http://www.studioscale.com/images/Ki...%20Romeo/3.jpg

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