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    Nov 9, 2006 - #1

    Well, it finally happen. A piece of garbage( Jason Rice) lied about recieving a model I sold to him and scammed the system at Paypal. He recieved both his money and the Starfighter kit that I sell. I am putting this out so that no one else sells him anything and to be warned about the crap he pulled! I probably will get my money back via Paypal but it is a long process.

    George
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    Sorry to hear that. That severely sux.

    How did you confirm that he received the kit?
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    Nov 9, 2006 - #3

    Insurance Number. USPS said It delivered, to address.

    Ss
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    Nov 9, 2006 - #4

    SUCK MAN !

    I share your pain as some SOB's did
    it to me thru Paypal too in the past !

    One important thing, is he a member here ?
    If you have his onscreen name you mihgt want to
    let the Mod's know ! We do NOT need people like
    that here !!
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    Hope you get your money back... please let us know how that goes.

    This is just sad, sad behavior and bad form.
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    <div class='quotetop'>(Wolvster1 &#064; Nov 9 2006, 07&#58;20 PM) [snapback]1354293[/snapback]</div>
    One important thing, is he a member here ?
    If you have his onscreen name you mihgt want to
    let the Mod&#39;s know &#33; We do NOT need people like
    that here &#33;&#33;
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    If this guy is a member here then call him out as others may be getting scammed right now. I would also call him out on the main prop forum to get maximum coverage.

    Sorry to hear about this.

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    Nov 9, 2006 - #7

    Oh man that sucks big time I&#39;m sorry to hear that. I would also be interested in knowing his screen name here too.

    I always ship FedEx requiring a signature so they can&#39;t pull that stunt. I&#39;ve found the USPS&#39;s tracking system isn&#39;t all that good, with UPS or FedEx you can find out exactly where the package is at any given time of the day and it will email you when the package gets there and show who signed for it. The only time I use USPS is to ship overseas, never domestically.
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    Good call REL might start using FEDEX or UPS. I am starting to get delivery confiramation on all my stuff now. I hope this guy comes through. He called me like 4 times in a week wanting to know if it had shipped as we were waiting for the E check to clear. Once it cleared I shipped and the next day he pulled the paypal. George is a great guy to deal with and ever since he has started working with me we have knocked out orders in the right amount of time. Sorry about this one George, I hope we at least get the claim.

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    Nov 9, 2006 - #9

    Post hte name here and every other model and prop forum out there...

    and in the future use delivery confirmation...

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    Nov 9, 2006 - #10

    Send him a polite e-mail stating that you are sorry that the post office lost the kit, and that he had to file a claim to paypal.

    Let him know that TOMMOROW, you are going to talk to your local postmaster about filing a claim for the lost kit (Since you insured it), and the post office will investigate. Let him know that the post office takes thier job very seriously, and lost/stolen mail is investigated.

    And oh yes, that mail fraud is a federal offence.

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    Man, sorry to hear that. Its frustrating when folks take advantage of the system. I hope it gets worked out for you.
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    Nov 10, 2006 - #12

    I hate hate hate to play "Devil&#39;s Advocate," but...

    Shipping services have been known to deliver to the wrong addy and STILL mark it as "delivered to recipient." It&#39;s happened to folks I know, although not w/ USPS.

    Just an FYI, nada mas....

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    Nov 10, 2006 - #13

    That did happen to me via Fed Ex once. I hope you guys get the money back, that is pretty crappy of this guy to do that to you both.
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    Nov 10, 2006 - #14

    still immediately snapping to a paypal dispute-refund is bad form...
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    <div class='quotetop'>(Jedi Dade &#064; Nov 10 2006, 02&#58;38 PM) [snapback]1354778[/snapback]</div>
    still immediately snapping to a paypal dispute-refund is bad form...
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    That is a BIG red flag of guilt right there.
    I would immediately notify the Postmaster about this because this is Mail Fraud. A FELONY.
    This is serious and the U.S. Postal Service takes these things seriously. You need to let the Postmaster at your local Post Office know about it.
    Once the United States Postal Inspectors get called in to investigate the case they will ream the guy a new a-hole if found guilty.
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    Jesse sent me one of his Vipers and it never got to me, though the USPS said it did. We don&#39;t usually have trouble with stuff on the porch being stolen, but now I always ask folks to send packages to me signature-required just to be safe.

    (Jesse was kind enough to send me another and we split the cost.)
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    <div class='quotetop'>(Ivanhotep &#064; Nov 12 2006, 01&#58;39 AM) [snapback]1355716[/snapback]</div>
    Jesse sent me one of his Vipers and it never got to me, though the USPS said it did. We don&#39;t usually have trouble with stuff on the porch being stolen, but now I always ask folks to send packages to me signature-required just to be safe.

    (Jesse was kind enough to send me another and we split the cost.)
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    There is unfortunately another problem no one has mentioned. There are theives in every profession. This includes delivery services and yes the USPS.

    In my childhood I met a postal worker that used to brag about the stuff he stole from the post office. I know from news reports this occurs even with the TSA.

    Such things are hard to prove unless you catch the people red-handed. You can never catch them unless you exercise your rights and have it investigated&#33;

    Personally, I would not name someone until I knew he was the guilty party.

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    Nov 11, 2006 - #18

    Oh, I know he is guilty. Period. Jason will not return my calls. Will not return Steve&#39;s calls. Anything else need to be said?
    The post office has been sent the info and they are doing a "full" investigation.

    George
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    <div class='quotetop'>(saintg &#064; Nov 12 2006, 04&#58;10 AM) [snapback]1355769[/snapback]</div>
    Oh, I know he is guilty. Period. Jason will not return my calls. Will not return Steve&#39;s calls. Anything else need to be said?
    The post office has been sent the info and they are doing a "full" investigation.

    George
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    Angry huh?

    I just advised a little CYA. If you are wrong, it is Libel.

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    Is this person a member of this board?

    -Bryan

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    Ah, I truely love this forum. It just so happens that one of the buyers of my kits and a forum member is a county Sheriff in Jason&#39;s county in MO. He is on the case&#33; Drusselmeyer you can tell your buddy Jason he will have a visitor very soon&#33;

    Also, many thanks for other members for thier assistance in this matter. You all will not be forgotten.

    George
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    <div class='quotetop'>(bbabich &#064; Nov 12 2006, 12&#58;17 AM) [snapback]1355797[/snapback]</div>
    Is this person a member of this board?
    -Bryan
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    That&#39;s what I&#39;d like to know as well...
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    He is. I&#39;m trying to find it. Unfortunatly he only contacted me via email.
    George

    Well, I found his screen name on Starship modeller&#39;s forum. It is jrice73. I have a feeling it is different here.
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    <div class='quotetop'>(Ivanhotep &#064; Nov 11 2006, 08&#58;39 PM) [snapback]1355716[/snapback]</div>
    Jesse sent me one of his Vipers and it never got to me, though the USPS said it did. We don&#39;t usually have trouble with stuff on the porch being stolen, but now I always ask folks to send packages to me signature-required just to be safe.

    (Jesse was kind enough to send me another and we split the cost.)
    [/b]

    Glad to hear your having some luck George..hope it all works out. Ivanhotep is (suprisingly) the only situation like this I ever encountered. I had a lot of things disapear...and had an ebay purchase never arrive, but never had the issues with paypal or the USPS like others have run into. The splitting the cost idea with Ivanhotep seemed like a fair middle ground. I didn&#39;t think he was trying to steal it, and he understood it was going to cost me resin, and mold life...in general seemed a fair answer (to anyone who runs into this and isn&#39;t in Georges situation of someone trying to steal)
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    <div class='quotetop'>(saintg &#064; Nov 13 2006, 05&#58;44 PM) [snapback]1356650[/snapback]</div>
    Ah, I truely love this forum. It just so happens that one of the buyers of my kits and a forum member is a county Sheriff in Jason&#39;s county in MO. He is on the case&#33; Drusselmeyer you can tell your buddy Jason he will have a visitor very soon&#33;

    Also, many thanks for other members for thier assistance in this matter. You all will not be forgotten.

    George
    [/b]

    My buddy?? hmmm.

    You are the one doing business with him. I know you better than I know him, which is not at all. I only know what I have been reading about this matter here.

    I was offering you a friendly word of caution and you snap at me&#33; You have already let me know all I need to know about you.

    I&#39;ll wait for the investigation myself before rendering any judgement on Rice.

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