Its Pink and Green and gunna be MEAN!!!

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moffeaton said:
Yeah, I think everyone knows what it's like to not get a party invite. Though with the Slave having left a trail of empty wallets and angry people in its wake, you're better off. I had a go, and no one liked the results... Tried our best on that one, and learned a lesson about offering things to people, lol!
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I think the fact that you end this with "LOL" is pretty telling that
you didn't learn what you needed from the experience or situation.
Those parts should have been proven and the model built before
you made that video. Now If you can build your model tomorrow
and get everything to work then you can LOL at everyone.......
but until then no.
 
I think you misread my intention, and I apologize for the apparent clumsy wording, Michael - rest assured, I am only laughing at myself for my previous work in offering Slave 1 hull parts a few years back. We sure did try to correct the known drawbacks to the upscaled Fine Molds hull that Max grew and Richard molded, but yes, even with those tweaks we apparently missed the mark. I feel awful about that - I really thought we had something good, after getting measurements from Allan and Moe.

If it helps to flesh out the story at all, I too have the styrene pulls gathering dust, only instead of spending the $200 or so that the vac former charged for pulls, I spent a couple grand to get the project to happen... Slave One in the studio scale world is a little like our version of Oak Island. Kudos to you for going in a safer and purely creative direction, and as I said earlier hats off to Guy for kicking ass in the studio accuracy department. Much respect to the both of you.

Apologies again for wording my post in such a way as to give you the impression I was laughing at every one on the RPF.
 
3d-builder said:
I think the fact that you end this with "LOL" is pretty telling that
you didn't learn what you needed from the experience or situation.
Those parts should have been proven and the model built before
you made that video. Now If you can build your model tomorrow
and get everything to work then you can LOL at everyone.......
but until then no.
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Disagree. I bought a set, as well, and I don't feel mislead in the least. True, I had a hand in revising the measurements. The styrene pulls ARE closer than the fiberglass hull. And closer with each iteration IS progress. To be completely blunt, it's unlikely we will see an S1 build that conforms with the body of Slave knowledge and meets the demands of the rivet counter types, such as myself, in the current year. It's not like an AT-ST where if you miscut a few donors, grab another and go. Many of the kits are cost prohibitive to that iterative design approach. And it's going to take a lot of iteration to get right. I think Jason's "lol!" was simply an acknowledgement that a group of guys made a solid attempt based on what had been ID'd and built to that point, and fell short. That will continue to happen as people push this particular filming model forward. That is the definition of this hobby.
 
Dang fine post, Allan. I am cheering for ANY ONE who builds a Slave 1, and hope that one day someone makes it to the finish line. I am rather taken with the Oak Island analogy I made, too. I think I'll refine the art a little before I'd actually make them, but what a fun shirt this would be for us nutters!

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Tried our best on that one, and learned a lesson about offering things to people, lol!

What was so funny about the lesson you learned about "offering things to
people", that's what I want to know, I mean it was funny enough you laughed
out loud. Not to mention you said that in a thread of a person who bought the
parts, and who you know wasn't happy.....not that he didn't try real hard! How
come I don't hear you say "I learned a lesson it's better to build it 1st and see
exactly what's going to go on with it"

Ahhh.....I am done I am waiting on pictures now :)
 
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Guy Cowen said:
You know whats also cool, you can see why and how the wings have been repaired and damaged over the years as its obvious that these weren't built to last, but under circumstances its a mazing they are as intact as they are still, there are few kit parts I think have sen added for acetic repair!!!! Dilema time...

Also this is this part on one wing but not the other, I'm damned if I can see a pic with glue marks from where its been nocked off or if we ever there. If anyone with good eye site can see this was on both wings let me know as its another Dilema as guessing it was once...Oh what a fool!!!!!

ITs about half an AT-ST high
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Tis part is only visible on this wing but if anyone can see proof it existed on the other...let me know?
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Well, im truly stoked, i get to see these things today, and you know what, im 100% now, ill never build the Slave, ive lost a lot of love for it over time and ive other grails to find,in all honesty, but at the same time, im cheering ALL you guys on to do it, i know you all can too, Guy has proved the model can go forward, it will go forward, and im chuffed i can say, i was there when it happened, what a ride guys!

lee
 
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Guys before this de rails too far and becomes more than it is, Mike is referring to the issues of the hull set that aren't size related. He had seen my hull set and the thickness of the pulls, they were very thin for the front hull, I mean very thin (like paper). Although size is important fellas any woman will tell ya that but this isn't a size thing, no one is upset that it was too small, it would've been great if it wasn't but that didn't change the fact the pulls were un workable on parts of the set.

Thats not be moaning as I had a second set and they were just as bad but allowed me to weld them together to add strength, I gave up on them cos of the size. I would love to see another set, just to see the thickness of the front hull, Allan or Jason if you still have em It would be nice to see em as if your sore mine I think you's both be shocked. Boy that sounds so "Cary On Camping" :)
 
I'm still mad that there was seemingly no QC on the pulls after I did my part, Guy. Yeah, size differences aside, mine were the proper thickness.
Ugh...
 
That's not really the way Michael's posts read, though... :) And, because Jason only supplied the bucks to the person doing the forming, and had no involvement in that aspect, I fail to see how Jason is accountable for poor pulls. I paid George. Not Jason.

As for the pulls, themselves, the ones I received - Jason made a video (which I just found out about last night). The parts Jason is showing in the video - some are thin, some are thick - is exactly what I got. Sounds to me like someone on George's end sent you two of all the thin pulls, Guy, instead of one thin and one thick. But, that's only my speculation. I'll remind people, too, that Jason destroyed his own FG Slave hull he procured from Richard to create the bucks for the pulls in question. It's not like this was at no cost to Jason.

There were Slave threads on the vintage RPF, 1999 - 2002. This isn't a recent undertaking. No one has come anywhere close to a near-complete model after countless banknotes and person-hours, so I hope it's OBVIOUS to anyone wanting to build S1 that it’s going to be an expensive journey of trial and error. Unlike the Falcon, which has equally or more expensive donors, the S1 is a 3D puzzle of layered kit parts. Almost everything on the Falcon is surface detail. Asking why Jason didn't prove the pulls is a little disingenuous, or demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the subject. It's an entirely different game when you have to make it work with kit parts, which is the intent of this forum, after all.
 
Anyway, Guys model, well, i got to see these wings today, there amazing, pretty, elegant, and mind numbingly complicated, to the point of cruel on ILMs part haha, really great work Guy, i cant wait to see more over time!

lee
 
ralphee said:
Anyway, Guys model, well, i got to see these wings today, there amazing, pretty, elegant, and mind numbingly complicated, to the point of cruel on ILMs part haha, really great work Guy, i cant wait to see more over time!

lee
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Cheers Lee, I'm getting there slowly. Thanks again for an ace day over at Ralph Towers and the bits n bobs ;-)
 
OK!!!!!

Can I wrap up the debate, on who why what and when NOW please.

For thew record, My Slave Front Hull is 10/1000 at its thinest point 0.254 mm Call me old fashioned but that was not a lot of thickness to play with :)
I NEVER vented about it, I never ranted about it, I sucked it up and tried my best to make them work. I gave up because we still had room for improvement!!!

I'm building as much of the donor parts related sections of slave 1 to get a better understanding of what size it actually is, and then by what ever means possible or offered or hand made. I will build slave somehow :)

Jason was the figure head and mascot and offerer of the slave 1 vac pull set, yes George did the work, or as I believe actually had others do the work........ I'm not venting and never did. I very much doubt that all the slave 1 hull sets out there have tolerances of 0.254 mm to work with!!! Please bare in mind this is the hull pull not the plating pull!!!!

I think it makes sense NOW for this to go away and let those who working on Slave 1 get on with it with a smile and some sense of pride and enjoyment. I'm loving making these wings and Engine section and then the cockpit and then I will know what is what and how and when and why and I'll be a little closer to achieving another thing on my actual Bucket list (yes it really is on it).

I've not been on the RPF for nearly a year, with in a few weeks of posting a simple build up of the slave wings its already derailed!!!! BORING !!!!!

Whats exciting is I have a set of Slave 1 wings but not much else, but its a big start on the road to (something).

I bet Moe has a set LOL?

This is the CSI Guy version that has to end now please

Mike vented at Jason for Poor wording, Jason apologised to me for the hull issues (thank you), I defended Mike cos I know he new my hulls where to be blunt (*****) for $250 (there, I vented at last)

Allan has defended Jason as its part his work and really none of this matters. All that matters is we continue to resolve the Slave 1 quest in a manner thats sensible. I'm doing my bit and am sure many others are in there own time too......its simply a beautiful space ship from a star wars movie that a lot of us would love to build or own....

Lets get on with it please as I really can't be doing with who did what and when and how. What I can be bothered with is honesty and fun builds and a hobby that makes us look mad to our friends, not mad with each other.
 
moffeaton said:
Dang fine post, Allan. I am cheering for ANY ONE who builds a Slave 1, and hope that one day someone makes it to the finish line. I am rather taken with the Oak Island analogy I made, too. I think I'll refine the art a little before I'd actually make them, but what a fun shirt this would be for us nutters!

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I'm in :) but the hughes are all wrong and the skirt is a little short LOL
 
Would anyone have any Entex Porsche Discs they could take pics of for me and some diameter measurements of the outside and inside circles, I'm going to scratch these. More than appreciated :)
 
Hmmm, a lot of no info on the cuts on these parts but I do know they are both at there maximum so I can adjust the angles once more is in place, if you make em neat then the Karl part needs trimming.... If you make em like ILM then it'll fit but you have to smash it apart a few times and re join it at a wonky angle!!! I plumbed for a snug fit and slightly short Karl part.
 
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Hey Guy,

It is big pleasure to see you decide to restart Slave One~
Great tutorial to me!!! :)
I will go along with you if you don't mind! ha ha...
Everyday, I'm waiting to be updated this thread :)
Cheers my friend!

Eric.
 
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