Jun 14, 2009, 10:44 AM - The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Any info on this model? I know that Bob Burns has a casting of the studio miniature in his basement that was built and finished very nicely.
Jun 16, 2009, 7:34 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
SSRN Seaview said:
I remember a fairly large article in the old 'Sci-Fi & Fantasy Models' magazine which I have somewhere which had blueprints and studio miniature shots. Would you like me to dig it out for you if this helps, maybe take some scans?.
Jun 16, 2009, 4:39 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I know I would love to see some pictures & get scans of the blueprints.PLEASE.
Jun 19, 2009, 4:05 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I have a studio blueprint of the ship exterior. I can get you a copy. If you're interested, just pm me.
Jun 19, 2009, 7:22 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
You can find some cool info on the Icarus, including the SF&FM article at Phil Broads "great" website, www.cloudster.com
Here is a direct link to the Icarus articles: http://www.cloudster.com/sets&vehicl...ip/PofA01.html
Jun 19, 2009, 8:41 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I didn't know they had a 5 foot miniature..I know there was 33 3/4" ish one though..that one was the 1/16 scale miniature. Is this the one being talked about? if so then we have a casting off the studio miniature hanging up in the Planet Hollywood here in Orlando...
Jun 20, 2009, 5:18 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I am referring this model. If I am using someone's pic I will remove it. I don't know where it came from (other than it is Bob's collection).
Jun 21, 2009, 2:35 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
There was no "5 foot" spaceship miniature built for POTA.
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Jun 21, 2009, 3:53 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I likes me some spaceships!
Jun 21, 2009, 4:58 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
The Planet Hollywood ship is a casting of the actual filming miniature, as is Bob Burns'. If I recall correctly, the ship is 42 inches tall.
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Jun 21, 2009, 8:19 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Jun 21, 2009, 9:52 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
This is the ship I want to build in scale!!!!!!!!! I never built in scale so where the heck would one start!
Jun 22, 2009, 7:25 AM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I have been there a number of times and have taken numerous pics of almost everything in "Bobs Basement". I will share what I know...
-IIRC, It is bigger than 42" long. I am just-under 6 feet tall and when I stood next to it and it came to my chin, so it is probably taller than 5 feet. (unless I am the incredible shrinking man)
-Not sure if it is an original filming prop...Bob says it is. where would it have appeared?
-It was restored a few years ago by someone (Greg Jein, I think?) so the paintjob is not exactly correct. It is obviously "clean" and we never see the ship "clean" in the films. The blue and red stripes are incorrect as well. The location of the United States lettering is a bit off.
I love Bob, don't get me wrong, but his prop background stories are sometimes a bit..."hazy" and as he will admit, he definitely has some replicas mixed into that collection.
I have the MIM version that I built a few years ago. It is a nice kit, but the proportions are way off. They used that panavision view of the top of the ship in the water as a reference, but didn't account for the severe widening-effect that occurred. The ship is "skinny" in a top view like the BB model. I think it actually looks cooler...wider.
Jim Key did some blueprints a few years back that appear to be bang-on. You could use those for reference. They appeared in a issue of Sci Fi Fantasy modeler. They also referenced the studio construction prints (I think).
There ya go. Hope that helped...
Jun 22, 2009, 6:13 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Yeah, according to Greg Jein Bob's POTA ship is a copy, the original having been restored and given to Arthur Jacobs' widow.
SD Studios said:
Once upon a time I took measurements of the thing, but I'm damned if I can recall exactly how long it was. My recollection is about four feet, but I'll see if I can dig up the exact figure.
Jun 22, 2009, 6:40 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
And once upon a time, I used to trip over the damn thing when it was in Greg Jein's bathroom at his shop....
Carson Dyle said:
Jun 23, 2009, 1:16 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Okay, I found my original measurements taken off Bob's replica when it was on display at the `99 WorldCon. The Apes spaceship miniature was 42" long.
No doubt it should have been larger given the "going, going, gone" sinking shot it was built for (scale-wise, those big bubbles are pretty unconvincing).
Jun 23, 2009, 2:04 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Jun 23, 2009, 2:21 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Huh. That can't possibly be the miniature I measured.
`Tis a puzzlement...
Jun 24, 2009, 5:33 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
I spoke with a friend in the effects industry who knows "Apes" Art Director Bill Creber. He said that Mr. Creber still owns the original filming model.
As stated before, Greg Jein made copies off of the original molds for Planet Hollywood several years back. Bob's copy is one of those.
Jun 24, 2009, 7:25 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
Lol, Creber's the one who told me it was given to Arthur Jacob's widow (or was it Franklin Schaffner's widow). Help me out here, Gene...
Tony Hardy said:
Coincidentally, I saw Creber last night at an Academy screening of The Abyss. I spoke to him briefly re: the enduring appeal of his Irwin Allen designs (i.e. the recent Moebius kits) but as always he was pretty dismissive of both Irwin Allen and the fan community in general (his exact words were "I don't get it"). As aging production designers go Creber definitely augers toward the crusty end of the spectrum (unlike Les Dilley, who will keep talking to you about his work until you walk away).
Jun 24, 2009, 7:48 PM - Re: The Five Foot POTA Icarus Miniature
From what I remember of those days at Greg's shop, the thing came up to about my neck - so 60" sounds reasonable.
I had heard Natalie had it as well..... but I can't remeber if I heard it from Greg or Bill.
Carson Dyle said:
Coincidentally, I talked to him the day after I got my Moebius Seaview, and though I tried to contain my geekitude (I'm not a huge Irwin Allen fan, but I have fond memories of those shows and models), evidently, I didn't do a good enough job. He saw right through the veneer of the compliment I was giving him (on participating in the design of some classic models) and said, "I don't know why you guys collect that crap." And then, we talked for about another 40 minutes......
Carson Dyle said:
But the best quote of all from Bill is the response he gave Carson when we were talking about paint colors and what steps the Fox Art Directors took to ensure their color call outs were followed by the painters on the stage. His response was a terse, "Irwin liked orange" followed by a wry smile as he turned and left.......
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