Thanks for that great thread !
Thanks for that great thread !
Anything to help!
Hey guys, a few questions .. I really tried to find an answer but just didn't come up with anything so ..
On the inner wings, what is the Karl part that is on each side of the center tube under the Hanomag pistons?
Also, I think I'm going crazy but .. we need 5x Karl for this, but I count 8 ribbed Karl parts on each inner wings + 4 half parts (I'm guessing). That makes 10 ribbed pieces per inner wings x 2 wings = 20. 2 per kits == 10 kits .. what am I missing?
Also I couldn't find the Harrier part in the kit scans .. I read its from the ejection rail .. but just couldn't find it.
For the inner wings you need 3 full & 1 half for the rear & 1 full & 1 half for the front of the Karl part. You need 5 Karls because you need a cut down part for the top of the cockpit tube, hence the 5 Karls.
The pic will help you with the Karl parts needed for those seen under the Hanomag pistons, 8 of these needed.
I think every issue of Harrier has the ejection seat rail part, mine was the MPC issue. I still have my original part which may be of help to you, PM me if you need this part!.
The inner wing parts are parts nr 17 from the karl
The Hanomag pistons are fitted in the cut out of part nr.20/21.
These truck bearing wheel hang-up parts are slightly different so look closely for the correct shaped parts.
The Karl has 2 in each kit so you only need 10 Karls
The Harrier part is the rectangular box that goes behind the seat.
You have to round the edges and beef it up with extra styrene on the side and underneat.
Also note that the Tie-Bomber's cockpit and torpedo plastruct tubes are not of the same lenght.Look closely at your reference(chronical book) and measure the difference is small but still noticable.
Correction of the above stated!
Indeed there are 4 ribbed parts in each kit so you only need 5 Karl kits
Make sure you measure the wing tube!
The offered starter kit here in the yunkyard for the Tie-bomber has not the correct tube thickness and the cockpit/torpedo plastruct tubes are of the same lenght which is not studio accurate
Agreed Lee .. thanks for the info Voodoo, but there's better way to bring information on the table. What length do you think that should be .. the info around has been of 88 or 88.5mm (I was guessing for both tubes).
Thanks again to everyone for the great help .. much appreciated!
You are right!
I should have entered this thread more humble.
Sorry for the thumbs down.
Lets start all over.
I am only talking millimeters here.
According to my meassurements the cockpit tube is 1mm.longer at the front.
The wing tube will be covered with styrene so therefore is fine.
Again sorry for my thumb down.
The starter kit is and it is great that it is availlable for all of us.I wish i had this kit when i built my Tie-bomber.
Why, may i ask, will the wing tube be covered in styrene?
3/4 as far as im led to believe, is the correct measurement, so basically, EVERY bomber build, on the board, is now incorrect according to your knowledge?
I think only Julien, and Phil, used 20mm metric alloy for the wing tube, which is NOT noticable anyway.
Please Voodoo, embelish with your now "correct" measures, so we can all learn.
Al, sorry bro, not trying to pee on your thread, but, im quite intrigued on this new found information.
I just realized I needed 2 Saturn .. Jee, must have been too excited to be around so many kits!
Did you order a second Saturn V yet? If not send me your addy. I picked one up for other parts and don't need these ones. Not sure what you need 2 of here, but I have extras of all these.
Last edited by EvanW; Jan 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM. Reason: spelling
According to my measurements the allu.tube is 20mm.as well.
This is without the styrene(0,5mm).
Why the styrene was added i do not know.
All i can think of and don't pin me on that is adhesion of the kit parts or fitting thightness of the tube itself.
Probably not the last since the tube is atached to the center box.
When and if every Tie- Bomber on the board is built with a 3/4 measurement it must be the correct measurement then.
If the difference is not noticable..well....it must be right than.
These builts demand a lot of research,Take a lot of time to built and swallow huge amounts of cash.
These facts turned me in a rivet counter and a millimeter man.
Last edited by Voodoocaster; Jan 14, 2011 at 6:16 PM. Reason: spelling
I guess it must be my starter set you are referring to?.
My completed model & the starter set only came to fruition with the help & exhaustive research & hard work of many respected members before me!.
With regard to the 2 main body tubes being a different length, well, I don't feel they are, ref shows them being the same size, including the 'Chronicles'.
I don't know where you get the idea that the centre tube is wrapped in styrene, no ref shows this & what a major that would be!.
19.1 (3/4") is the accepted size & works perfectly with placement of all the kit parts.
Actually the centre tube on my build was 18.5mm & still worked out perfect.
If you go over 20mm you will have problems with kit parts fitting & the centre box will be that much more fragile.
Oh Al, you need 1 half of the Karl part to fit into the underside of the bombing chute/chamber thingy.
Yes A, there are 2 sprues in the hence 4 parts !
As for the tube wrapped with styrene, I'm not sure, you can see the aluminium where the paint didnt hit the tube, behind the Leo chassis parts on the original model. Do you have any pic of the tube wrapped with styrene ?
Stu, I had no problem fitting the parts on a 20 mm tube, (the radius difference of a 18.5 and 20 mm tube is insignificant) as for the center box, mine is hollow and made from 1 mm styrene, there is absolutely no contrainst on it, the wing tube gets it all (but let's be honest, this is one of the lightest prop ! ). I agree the right diameter seems to be 3/4" (it would makes sense) but it's hard to see the difference by eye ?
There're plenty of TIE Bombers done all over, none of them is perfect -nothing is- but all of them are beautiful ! Now the community has the chance to get a great starter kit (yes that's a chance because the Bomber is not so easy to do, and the starter kit really help, I wish it was available when I built mine I would have saved many hours cutting, drilling and scribing grooves on the tubes). And I'm glad BT is building another, that's a very nice choice for a first scratchbuilt/kibashed SS model !
Bonne chance mon ami !
Starter kit? What starter kit?
lol .. yeah, that's what pushed me into getting into this .. boy what did I get myself into!?!?
Julien bud, maybe you can confirm this. The 5 Leo needed, is this because you need 5 chassis (4 on the sides of the tube and 1 on the bottom of the middle box)?
I still can't find those Karl parts, for now, I'll shut up, order my Karl and find them when I get my kit! I think they must be missing from the scans on StudioScale.com!!!
I can't seem to be able to find the Stuka part (1 part, seriously!!), the Shinano or the Yamato .. if anyone has spares (actual) of any of those or perhaps cast, let me know!
Last edited by Bigturc; Mar 6, 2011 at 11:52 PM.
Thanks to an awesome RPFer, all actual parts from the 2nd Saturn kit made it home today!
More actual, less resin!
Got tipped from various people here and there for places to buy kits .. hopefully, it's ok and useful to post the info here. Since I'm in Canada, we don't have so many vendors having diversity at great shipping price. It's either in Canada with small/restricted inventory, or in the US with big shipping quotes!!
But here's some exceptions ...
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